master tempo has been improved by miles!!!!!! now i have a perfect pair of cdj-2000 s! 

THANK YOU !!!

better late than never :) thank you pioneer

I see there were 4 interim iterations, really appreciate the extra scrutiny in QA from Pioneer on the fix.  I'm looking for a few more forum posters with their experience on this FW before I commit.  Please post the styles and tempos (and pitch if you remember) you tried, I'll do the same after I test it out (mine with be tested with breaks and glitch, and 2% - 4% offsets...what were problem children for me)

So far so good on my CDJ-2000 and CDJ-900..  I am definitely convinced this is a MT improvement! 

NICE!!!! I can finally turn MT back on!! I shall test when I get out of work.

Gavin, now that the MT is improved, Is it on the engineers list to add features now, Like lets say "load hot starts on track load" :)

I have tested the MT briefly, and had no drifting issues so far.

Well done Pioneer.  Thanks for listening and taking action.

is this update working fine over Pro DJ Link, using a router?

good work!

Works great on my end. Although I've never had a major issue with Master Tempo anyways. ;)

Not tested yet but well done Pioneer if it is fixed !

Upgrade completed and tested on a few of my most notorious tracks.  Considerable improvement, to the point I detected no flam or wander in percussion (especially noticeable on glitchy/choppy breaks tracks.)  I also noticed that the overall sound quality with MT=on at the extremes of pitch bend (+/- 8% or so) has significantly improved.  Set to WIDE, the behavior sounds similar to what I remember from my old 1k's.  Will have another DJ in our collective come over with Traktor and run a comparison with PC-based pitch corrected tracks, but at this point I'm calling it good...  No longer do I need to be especially concerned to program around significant pitch variations.  Thank you, again, Pioneer, for taking the matter seriously.  Now I am looking forward to native FLAC support in your products;)

Done a "quick" test after updating just the one deck and it is better, still got noticable clicking artifacts at a full 6% of adjustment but I would not normally adjust the pitch that much.  Too early for me to say how "usable" it is just yet but it sure does sound better to me.

Tested with mixing....Perfect

Tested with all loops.....Perfect.

Now I love my 2000s even more! 

NICE!

Tested it yesterday and it amazed me xD

Mixed 2 tracks (7min long) with MT on of course -> no drifting!!!! (or maybe a little little little bit of a tiny drift)
But even that could be the cause of a not perfect annalyse by rekordbox . Still its the same a with MT off !

So Pioneer, Many many thanks on this one!!!!

Done some "back to back" testing, i.e.  FW4.05 vs 4.10 and I can honestly say that the new MT sounds 100 times better at -10% than the old MT sounds at -2%, that is a serious test score.

I've not had time to try it whilst mixing "I am supposed to be working - lol" but the impovement in the "minus" settings is some what encouraging.

Stuff work, this MT testing is more important.

BTW It works better in "plus" settings too and I just tried mixing an identical 150bpm loop at up to +/- 10%.

I was turning on the MT function on one deck at a time, both decks having the different FW in. (pls note it does require one very minor "jog" correction if you do this while the loop/track is playing, I guess because of the extra level of processing is taking an iddy biddy bit of  extra time up), you would not do this normally.  So the results:-

New MT on - perfectly able to beatmatch the loops.

Old MT on - sounds like a train wreck, no matter what you do with the jog wheel.

Long time waiting, but we may have got there.

Now get on and give me an option to "autoload" the Hotcues.  "PRETTY PLEASE"

Awesome! The MT is usable again! I hope to see more updates for the current cdjs with things like autoload hotcues and increased functionality.
Hopefully this won't take another 4 months or so.. 

I would also LOVE to finally see Rekordbox 1.6!
Thanks again pioneer! great update 

What i'm hoping for is for RB 1.6 to utilise my iPad with the wifi devices tab.........

out of curiosity, What would you do if B was linked to the iPad?

4.10 was a long time coming, but well done Pioneer for listening.  MT is now much improved and much tighter, just done an hour test mix and all is well.  At one stage I was feeling that I shouldn't have ebay'd those 1000 mk3's.  Hope everyone else feels the improvements,

Wonder if theres a FW update for the djm 2000 soon?, I know.., We will be told as soon as it gets here.. ;-)

Nice work pioneer! MT is improved a lot comparing with previous firmwares. Now you are in the correct path. 

so far nice and smooth...

has anyone tried this new update with serato in HID mode?

any issues/bugs?

Is Rekordbox running alright with the new firmeware?

@SpeakerHandz    -  All worked fine for my hour test, no issues.

I'm reserving comment so far due to testing, but for now, my profile picture to the left should speak volumes.

LOL

Brilliant Mark. I was wondering how you'd react!

I think the new MT sounds great, well done pioneer.... all those posts/arguments on the old board were worthwhile!

Like the profile pic Mark, very interested to get you views too, they should be the same as mine?

everythings great except for one of my cdj's keeps stopping during playback with usb and LAN pro connection to rekordbox any suggestions?

Been using my 2000's with 4.10 for the last 2 days.

I noticed instant improvement with M.T.

The players now play like cdj1000's. which is exactly how i like it.

did a gig last night, for the first time, leaving MT on the whole night. it works great! used it over Pro DJ link w/ router, no problems at all. 

I dj'ed last night for the first time using the master tempo with zero issues.

I'm also looking forward to a Recordbox update because of error message. This happened about 10 times when playing music, aggressive with hot cues and change of pitch to 100%.

Thanks Pioneer!!

I must say that I'm in two minds about this upgrade.  I mucked about with a bunch of retro tunes I wanted to incorporate into a set yesterday - it seemed so difficult.  Tracks I had mixed 5-10 years ago with no difficulty seeming to be difficult (I was persevering with MT) , was making me feel like i was past it. Today, after seeing the firmware upgrade and installing it, the difference was sublime.  It was so easy.  I'm not naive, so I understand that we all have good and bad days, but . . . 

It's awesome that the 2000s finally do what I expected.  It's kinda irritating that I had to wait this long suffering through the "it's really ok except for a few specific tracks" platitudes.

So thank you to Pioneer for the fix, and big ups for those who did their best to make this seem a minor glitch in the mean time.  Given  the scale of improvement I have just witnessed, you guys did  fantastic job also.

Who was the person that made that youtube video ? :)

The video where you recorded the line out with Cubase and saw the mastertempo drifting.

If it is possible , you should do the same again :) same songs , same pitch ...  and then let's see whats the result!

@ theone i was thinking at the same thing. it will be good to see that test.

It was Marianeugen who posted the video.  They used Cubase to do it I believe.

i'm not sure what a video is going to achieve, we can all clearly hear that MT is vastly improved. it's just as good now as the cdj1000 mk3 which is all we ever wanted in the first place.

the video was done because there were many people on here that couldn't hear the problem, or were wrongly assuming the causes of the problem and this video cleared a lot of that up and maybe contributed to getting it fixed.

DId a five hour set on my 2000's last night. I noticed that warble with Master Tempo is much more discreet. I never got the tempo drifting on the previous Firmware. Thumbs up to Pioneer!

As one of the [annoying] people who've gone on, and on, and on, about Master Tempo over near-on the past 2 years, I'm sure my profile picture to the left doesn't leave much unsaid.  :)  In any case, I should probably air my views.

I've had several '4.10' sessions, and they have been very impressive.  I covered the BPM readouts and just got on with mixing, checking the accurracy of the BPM values after each mix and quietly noting the 'difficulty'...

They were all spot on accurrate right down to the exact 0.02% increment and I had no difficulty issues with Jitter.

This appears to be a momentus update.
I would now say that the CDJ-2000's are at least on a par with the CDJ-1000 MK3 as far as Master Tempo is concerned.

Also, I was being very aggressive, mixing across a pitch range of around -2% up to +3%... incredible, as we know the negative ranges and larger ranges are worst affected.

I'm looking forwards to spending more time on my decks now, as seriously the MT issue really put me off and made me yearn for my 1000 MK3's back on many an occassion.  Gladly though the years of persistence have paid off, and Pioneer have taken real steps to finally acknowledge and vanquish the Jitter we've had to put up with.

Credit where credit is due, whilst the mysterious Engineers do deserve [most of] the grief they get from us about fixing issues (hey, we all need motivation!), we must acknowledge the fact that they have worked hard and provided truly worthwhile updates, so thank you to them.  Thanks to Pioneer who finally came around to recognise the issue, and also we should all thank ourselves - forum and non-forum members alike - for persisting for a fix and helping to shape these fantastic products.

So, many thanks Pioneer for this Grade A update!!  I hope you continue to astound us.

P.S.  We know you listen now... ;)

And I am sure the wait was worth it, looking forward to using them this weekend with MT finally back on, I used to have an issue where the track would sound like it would skip in the middle of playing, all the times this happened MT was on so I am hoping that that was with the issue was and it is not something else :)

I had a bit of time using MT this weekend and I have to agree in terms of keeping everything in time it's far more solid as you no longer feel you're wrestling with the beats. Another MASSIVE boon by using MT (never really used it before) is the fact that any small adjustments to keep in synch don't affect the pitch - obvious I know but after ditching MT since having the players this thrills me. 

Question to all - would you considering recording a mix having MT permanently switch on ? 

@Gavin > I never meant to imply that the engineers failed to recognise the problem.  I can imagine it took a very long time to identify and resolve.  The end result is all important though, it's great, it's pretty much where it should be, and everyone should be happy, hopefully.

@BriChi > I reckon that was MT at work, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

@Paulm72 > In the past I would happily record a mix on the 1000 MK3's with MT on.  When the 2000's came out, I tried to, but the results were unacceptable.  This ended up with me not producing anywhere near as many mix CDs as I used to as I had to severely limit my track choices.  I also ended up getting an SL2 to try and remedy the situation.  Now though, I WILL be recording mix CDs on my 2000's, with MT on.  It's that simple.

Cheers Mark, the reason why I ask is you do notice though with MT on that because the signal has been reprocessed tweaks are not quite as responsive than with MT off. 

Please don't take this as a criticism Pioneer just an observation. 

CDJ2000's are now brilliant machines 

thank you Mark

Two years of waiting is not a lenghty procedure of testing, re-testing and then tweaking bro, it's just plain ignorance, and nothing else.

I'm very glad for all of you MT is finally working as it should though.

For me personally, after another one of those E83xx-errors last month, freezing one of my players, patience exhausted, sold my gear.

Greetings from Gothenburg, Sweden!

I registered just to give my thanks to Pioneers engineers - awesome job!

I haven't owned my CDJs for very long, but the less-than-satisfactory MT left me feeling quite disappointed in them. Updated last night and my cheeks are starting to cramp up from all the smiling. ;)

I didnt get a chance to update my players till day before yesterday and yesterday I had a gig so I updated asap. OMG, finally I can mix tightly on my 2000s without having to adjust the jog wheel as often as I had to and mmmm I love it. Felt just as right as it did on my trusty 1000 MK3s, thank u pioneer, just wish u had done it sooner!!!

Did any one run a simple test, 2 same songs lets say 128 bpm at 0,0 pitch with master tempo on and off. The one player plays the song normaly, at the second just press the 4 beat loop button. What happens? Stay at the same bpm or not...?

Whilst playing out on Friday night I was getting digital skipping on tracks using Link mode from one HD. It happened on 3-4 tracks throughout the night but was enough of a jump to knock the beats out of sync! Anyone else experienced this? The week before I wasn't using 4.10 and it didn't happen at all in a 5 hour period. To be more precise the digital skipping was happening in the same place on the tracks every time. 

@Ric Rush

I love Mp3val, it's the only tagging programme I would ever dream of using!

At the weekend a recorded a one hour Uplifting Trance set with MT enabled on both players for the whole mix.  Today I got to listen to it on headphones and it sounded OK, I never noticed any wierd effects at all, so my thumbs are still pointing up.

Hello,

Just my 2 cents on the feedback thread.

First of all a huge thanks to Gavin and Pulse for listening and forwarding all of our thoughts and concerns to the Pioneer Engineers.

It is really appreciated and widely respected for a manufacturer to responds and treat it's customers as valued, no matter if it has to be for a flagship model or for the cheapest model in the proiduct range.

In terms of testing now, to be honest I do not have too much time lately to interfere with my decks. However I found some free time to do the firmware updating and a test with a couple transitions in order to see it here is any difference or not.

To my surprise it really was! I made transitions without even using headphones or something, just by putting a bunch of Progressive House tracks playing and trying to synchronise them using both the fader and the wheel and by setting Master Tempo ON. HUGE difference compared to the prior firmware and I did not notice almost any signs of drifting. After synching the tracks, I just put my hand once or twice to adjust the synch and this happened after 30-60seconds, not less, which I personally find normal. I mixed a couple more tracks with the same procedure and switched off my decks.

The test was made using 2 pressed Audio CDs (no Rekordbox presence or something).

I am very satisfied with the result and it is miles away from the previous failure.

I will come back another time to post my other tests (using USB. MP3s and SD with or without the use and quantization of RekordBox).

Once again thank you foir this major improvement.

Now I have to deal with the Windows 7 x64 driver failure of my DJM-2000 (which I will post some results in my previously opened thread that Pulse responded).

All the best,

Panos.

Did something daring last night and played out a set at a club with a reasonable sound system with MT=On on both decks the whole time, mixing some of the more problematic transitions with tracks of significantly dissimilar tempo (nominally 133bpm set, some 128.5, some 140bpm.)   Sounded great!  All files were .AIF lossless, if that is of interest.

On another note, I'm wondering if I'm loosing my mind, or does an export of tracks to a thumb drive sometimes loose cue points or hot cues?   I can totally believe I forgot to hit Memory or a hot cue during programming, but it's happening often enough I want to know other's experiences so that a trip to the neurosurgeon is planned post-haste...

hola a todos,necesitaria que me ayuden,instale la actualizacion 4.10 pero al estar actualizando la barra de abajo no se actualizaba,si lo hacia la de arriba. me instalo la version 4.10 pude comprobarlo,pero el problema es que se va de cuadratura el pitch facilmente no es estable, como puedo hacer, gracias.

@Effect, do you host your mixes online anywhere?

speaking of freezing, when i load a track thorught proDJ link, and hit the call button right after (almost instantly), the deck will freeze. it rarely happens, and i believe only when i'm calling a loop that set as the first memory cue. i leave auto-cue off as most my tracks have a first cue or loop point set.

suddenly stopped working with me last night. had to turn off and on again praying for everything coming back working again. It did but there was silence on the dancefloor. Pioneer FAIL again.

Setup: 2 cdjs2000 + djm 800 - 1 hd western digital my passport laying on air cushion. It wasn't about the vibrating thing cause it happened with me before at home even with memory sticks.

PIONEER SHOULD TAKE THIS STUFF MORE SERIOUSLY! SHAME!

This is my set up. Two CDJ 2000's and a DJM 2000 all networked to my apple laptop running Rekordbox via ethernet cables. All hardware and software is updated to the most recent versions. During my two hour set last night the CDJ I was cueing on locked up (froze) I could not load another song onto it and obviously the song that was loaded would not play. The buttons did nothing. The CDJ that was playing was working fine but time was running out on the song. In a moment of panic I turned off the CDJ that had locked up, I thought this was a bad idea but as far as I know that was my only choice? That totally screwed up the link and then when I tried to load a new song quickly to the working deck it started playing the new song but then stopped after about 5 sec. The only option was to reboot my computer and power cycle the CDJ/DJM setup. 

This all happened at about 1:30am for a packed club, bad timing. I have run into this once before with an old firmware version on the CDJ's but from what I remember I was able to switch the "unlock / lock" switch to "unlock" and drop a new song onto the deck and work around it. I tried that this time and it did not work. It really is a horrible situation. Any advice on how to recover from this without several minutes of silence would be appreciated, thank you. 

the club does not have a third CDJ. I will look into setting up another CD player on another free input on the master house mixer, that would have saved me. 

No error message was displayed, as far as I can remember everything looked "normal" but I did notice that the light around the "cue" button was not lit up and I remember that happening when I had this issue in the past, that was actually the first thing that told me this could be bad. Thanks

Also I want to point out the only one player froze the other one went south due to me power cycling the frozen deck when it was liked I think. 

was your drive plugged into the deck that froze or did the other deck go south which had the source also?

I always keep an sd card loaded in both players so if a deck goes down, i know I can resort to dropping in a track off an SD card, yeah it will sound like crap but better then dead air

Everything was linked to my computer via a ethernet cable and I was using rekordbox

gotcha, thats weird that the other deck messed up when you rebooted one deck. I have your same setup, 2 cdj's linked to my mac, I have had a cdj freeze on my in which case I reboot it but it never effected the other one

Yes I think it has to do with linking thru the DJM 2000 I don't think they system likes it when you just turn off a deck that is liked? that really is not the issue it's the fact the the deck I was cueing on froze.

I could be wrong, but from reading a lot of people that have link issues, freezing and errors, it seems most of them come from a DJM2000, Maybe whatever switch they built into the 2000 is where the fault lies?  

can you try and replicate this all by not using the djm2000 switch, use an external one like a Linksys or Netgear and see if anything freezes up on ya, even if you reboot a deck. I know your main issue is the 1 deck froze, but theres a good place to start

Sounds to me like the solution is to ditch the DJM-2000 for an Allen & Heath.   ;)

@ Pulse: this happened also with a usb memory stick as I said. But during the gig it did with the my passport.

I know it's always great to have a way out of problems (3rd cdj) but that would be for EVENTUAL problems right??? This alreay broke the EVENTUAL barriers waaayyy long ago. I had another issue today that made my eye balls almost jump out but since people post different threads for different problems I will make another one for this unbelivable one.

Yes Fuse, I am starting to think the only way out is really to sell these stuff to a poor soul that doesnt know about the problems and buy something else since Pioneer is doing NOTHING to make who paid loads for these cdjs2000 being happy again.

I MISSSSSSSSSS MY 1000'S!!!!!!!!!!!

@ Pulse: I played again last night on the same setup I mentioned in my previous post and they did it again. All of the firmware was updated two weeks ago by me. Last weekend was smooth sailing but like I have said this past weekend both nights I had one CDJ lock up with a track loaded. I only use my apple laptop with Rekordbox to load music. 

Last night I did pay more attention to what the CDJ was doing when it "froze" none of playing functions worked but the link button did change my screen when I pushed it and then it gave me a "working" screen with a moving pinwheel of sorts that never stopped. I did not have time to wait I once again had to play an ipod and reboot the system and relink. BTW last night it was the other CDJ that I was cueing on not the same one from Friday night. Point is it rules out the players perhaps and makes it seem more like the Firmware 4.10 update it the reason for this new and annoying bug? At this point I'm wondering what I should do for next weekend? Can I revert to a previous Firmware version? Any info on why this is happening? Here is a vid link of this happening to someone else, I found this on youtube yesterday. Please advise.

Video LInk:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czLcQR3c_nI

Dustin the same thing has happened to me and I'm using the link. Last night i saw the moving pinwheel and it didn't stop. i have three cdj 2000 so I turned off the player. Two weeks ago this happened during a father and daughter dance at a wedding.This is becoming a major issue and has me FREAKED OUT. I purchased all brand new cables on Friday hoping this would solve the issue. I may have to back to cd's until this is fixed. 

Question Pulse? People are having a issue so what is the problem? Cdj2000? Recordbox? My DJM 2000?...The HUB?,. Please help.

I do want to point out one more thing with the lock up / freeze issue. When you try to drag and drop a new song onto the CDJ via Rekordbox you can't. Rekordbox thinks the CDJ is playing the track and won't let you. 

Your right once again Dustin. Same thing at my end.

@Stroboscope:  Why do you want your 1000's back?  You do realise that the 2000's play CDs too, right?

somebody please delete the other post. i want to edit but i don't know how. thanks. 

@ pio how can you explain this glitches who appear betwen 0:16 - 0:19??all tracks are analized with mp3val, mixed in key and rekordbox. firewall is off and i don't have antivirus or any other software on the computer. are installed only 3 programs rekordbox 1.5.1, traktor and ableton (wich i don't use).yesterday i defragmentated both partitions. i have firmware 4.10 so i think that i'm on topic.

http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/6981753/file.html

@marck90 i've sold 2 mk3 to buy a 2000 not to play cd's. if i wanted to play cd's i'd stayed whith mk3.

i think i'm going insane. the last 4 hours i've doing ''tests'' and everithing is the same. i've analyzed them with the rb 1.5.1 & 1.5.2 and played them thru link and sd card. please, somebody download the archive, analyze them on your computer and play them thru link and/or sd to see if it's happend to you either the glitchs betwen 0:15 - 0:19. thanks. http://www37.zippyshare.com/v/46455375/file.html

 p.s from this night i will stop beeing a beta tester for pioneer and even if i win the lottery i wouldn't buy another pioneer product. is frustraiting for me, a wannabe bedroom dj, i don't  want to think at the people who makes a living from this.

I'm also using a Mac Pro silver keys. This may help?

I think he means the previous designed macbook pro that had the silver keys on the keyboard, not the newer black keys

Yes BriChi. My Mac Pro is 3 years old. I'm using Mac Leopard and not Mac Lion. Version is 10.6.8.