posted this on September 17, 2012 19:44
Will the new cdj 2000 nexus work natively with serato out of the box or will we have to wait for a firmware update.
That's a good question. I've bought 2 CDJ 2000 nexus to remplace my CDJ 800 mk2. I use Serato SL3. I've didn't find the HID standard/advanced option in the Utility menu. Is that normal? Will we have to wait a firmware update?
you bought 2 nexus cdj's just to control serato?
1. My CDJ 800 had a long life, they have lots of problem now...
2. No I haven't, but I want to control serato too...
3. My choice is the result of a long hesitation between the CDJ 900, CDJ 2000 and the CDJ 2000 Nexus...
I know there are lot's of prejudice between DJs 'cause lot's of them pretend to be a good one and are not, only based on the success of David Guetta or other one, and without passion for the music. I don't want to have the most beautiful and the most impressive equipment, I just want to have the more practice to satisfy my passion.
If the CDJ 2000 nexus have the HID integration, it will be welcome. That's why I'm looking for a forum where music's passionates could have an answer for me ;)
i plan on converting everything to rekord box. However i still have alot of Video jobs on the books and need serato for them. I have spoken to pioneer directly and have been told the nexus will work by 2 different people that it will work the same. i will call them again and ask about the HID advanced mode specifically.
You're right BriChi, and lot's of DJ controller do the same too, for less cash ;)
right but again, the Nexus and the 2000mk1 are the exact same deck, the added features are "if" you use them as standalone RB decks. Of course other decks are cheaper and do similar functions but the 2000 is the most reliable and thats why we all use them, but to get the Nexus over the 2000mk1 to just control serato literally is a waist of money, its the same deck
just spoke to pioneer and they are telling me hid advanced is in the utilities as it is the same deck as 2000 just with the added features.
That's right BriChi. I've choose the 2000 nexus 'cause it's the most reliable, like the 2000, and 'cause of added features. Serato is just an option for me.
Brian, I've no hid standard/advanced in the utilities. But this is the 1.02 firmware on it. Perhaps I need to upgrade with the last version of CDJ 2000 firmware, but it seems strange.
Yeah Romain, Definitely update, you are far behind FW wise
the firmware is the same for both players????? Why wouldn't Pioneer send nexus with latest firmware
Romain, you have the 2000Nexus already? or you talking about looking for the option in a 2000mk1?
Bri, the FW is completely different between the 2 units, the nexus FW must be different to handle all the new options and settings
Romain you said you have the CDJ2000 Nexus Correct?
I don't know.That's why I would thinking the CDJ 2000 firmware was not the same!
BriChi, are you sure the firmware are the same between CDJ 2000 and 2000 nexus?
Yes, this is the nexus!
Ah okay, so no updates at the moment ;)
no, i am saying the FW is not the same between the 2, they are 2 different decks, there is no way the have the same FW, it may be similar because of similar features but the 2000nexus FW most likely starts from a 1.??
and thats awesome that you have a nexus already! I thought you were talking MK1 because the Nexus hasnt shipped to to many spots yet, enjoy!
have you tried to use serato in HID mode yet? Maybe they dont have a standard mode anymore and its all advanced, therefore you wouldnt need a menu option
yes that's right, the 1.02 ;)
have you tried to use it with serato? maybe there is no option in the menu and it just always works in "advanced mode"? or the decks can auto detect if its Serato/traktor/VDJ etc..... and will switch to advanced if needed. Just because its not in the menu doesnt mean it wont work with serato, since you're the only one with the decks, we will wait for you to try :) LOL
BriChi that could be. I called Pioneer 3 times and they all told me it will work
Romain if you could please try what BriChi Suggested about possible auto detect and let us know it would be appreciated. Everyone I seem to talk to in the stores seems to give a different opinion. but pioneer said it will work. No one here has them yet.
Sorry, I was in the store where I bouthgt them.
I've just tried, but it doesn't work like that.
And in the Link mode, i'm only in USB midi control mode.
if anyone from Pioneer and Serato is reading this thread please look into this. Is HID advanced located somewhere else in the player or does it need to be added with a firmware update. Again I called Pioneer tek support and three different people told me that this is available and nothing has been lost in the upgrade to Nexus - Please Confirm
something new on the serato forum:
Well that flat out blows.. Now I'm contemplating on canceling my order. I still use Serato for video and hate timecode.... And I've already wasted a few days working with RB setting cue points... FML
wondering what went on or wrong.. I took this from Pioneer's website
Thats right in their description, Pioneer supports HID, it is up to the software developers from Serato/Traktor, etc..... to incorporate it into their code for that particular player. If pioneer did not change anything on the HID end or how it communicates,, then it should connect right out of the box. No one will know till it is tested. Pioneer says it will work, serato says it will not right now. good luck to the serato users on the final outcome :)
is it possible they moved the HID Advanced setting
i don't think so. Advanced HID is now HID and the old Standard HID was actually just midi (MID)...
@romain - where abouts are you? just curious to know where stock of the Nexus has arrived...
Phil - so is the new cdj2000 Nexus able to work with Serato in internal mode or will you need timecode cd's.
if you need time code cd's is there plans for native support in the near future
sorry brian, i'm just a user like you and don't know. i was just clearing up the change in terminology. your question needs to be asked of Serato as it is their job to add the code to their software. my guess would be 'yes' as they were the quickest off the mark to support the Advanced HID on the CDJ 2000 but it is only a guess.
Know I will use timecode CDs and Rekordbox until a new upgrade of serato (if they want to do it...).
Is there the same problem with Tracktor?
@Phil, I'm in the North of France. Here the new CDJ 2000 nexus are in shop since monday
Confirmation about HID Advanced on the Serato forum by the owners: no HID Advanced on the new CDJ 2000 nexus!
"DJSabella 7:15 PM - 20 September, 2012
I'm a Traktor user here, just got my 2000 Nexus's and I can confirm that HID does not work using Traktor either.
Lets stop with the "Why would you do that?" and work on fixing the problem. Many of us like very flexible setups. Sometimes we like using the software, other times we just take the decks and play of sticks (I use Traktor at home, the decks only when I play out).
The whole "HID Standard/HID Advanced" thing was just a mode setting on the 2000 MK1. Meaning, "Advanced" wasn't some special feature, it was just an HID mode with more features for more complex software.
I'm hoping that Pioneer is just supporting one full mode of HID on this player.
Unfortunately that means now we wait. And wait. And wait. Last time it took NI over 2 years to get HID for the 2000. In fact it just came out this summer.
Traktor / Serato are the one that needs to code it in, bitch at them :)
Still, Pioneer should have given them units pre-release to develop off it. This is a flagship product! Don't take away features.
couldnt agree more, they should definitely be given one, same as some people should be given them for strong beta testing
right, but they say """"DJ software MIDI/HID control""""" which means the decks ARE ready to control the software via MIDI or HID, the decks have it built in, there is no longer a need to select advanced or regular so thats why people "think" its not included, they just dont know what they are talking about. When I hook up sera to, press link and conect to deck 1, i can fully map a Nexus minus the platter, once serato/traktor decides to code in HID for the nexus, it will work. No one (as far as I read) on pioneers end ever said or advertised that HID could control serato out of the box, thats up to serato and traktor now to get their engineers on board quickly,
again, This is not putting total blame on them, Pioneer could have offered them a deck to get the work done before release but you cant expect either for pioneer to hold back a release of a deck because serato and traktor are not ready for HID, that part is not pioneers fault.
With HID support, no, no timecode discs.
In the current state (where Serato and NI haven't yet implemented HID for this deck), you can certainly use timecode discs with the players and use Serato/Traktor Scratch. Even better, you can put the timecode signal onto an SD card and play off of that.
Just saw this in the CDJ 2000 Nexus pioneer site Q&A Section. Just wondering on timeframe at this point....
HID control is scheduled to be supported with Native Instruments’ “TRAKTOR”, Serato’s “Scratch Live” and Atomix’ “VirtualDJ”.
well i just got my new cdj 2000 nexus out the box today and yep they got no hid setting cant get them to work native with serato thats a pain!!!!
Really is a pain just transferred most of my database to rb just another 3607 songs to analyse and im good, really thought pioneer would of left the Advanced Hid option in the utility menu withe the nexus. hopefully there is an update soon.
The Nexus now work with HID in Traktor Pro 2.6, but there are a few missing features (slip doesn't light up, start/brake don't work, reverse doesn't work). I'm hoping Serato can do a better job. I made a short demo video of the Traktor HID integration.
Pioneer CDJ-2000 Nexus with Traktor Pro …
The slip button is definitely a bug. Reverse has never worked with traktor, because traktor doesn't have a reverse feature.
Same deal with brake and start. Those features were always handled by timecode.
I get that, but it's a shame. Traktor can handle the track going backwards, slowing up and speeding down at different rates etc, it just needs someone to implement the right control.
You know, I find it silly when the response by some users saying "you bought a Nexus setup just to use Serato" because while on the surface it might seem inefficient, here's a valid argument that is my real life situation at the moment.
I own 2 CDJ-850's controlling Scratch Live. The club I work for uses a Rane 62 as a mixer and just this week got a pair of CDJ-2000Nexus. They got it for the reason that there are some of us using Serato, another guy using Traktor, a few of us studying to use Rekordbox, but most importantly, whenever they bring a big EDM act into the club, we don't have to go try tracking down 2 or 4 of the 10 known CDJ-2000's (only 2 of which are Nexus's) around the entire state of Iowa.
Let's not kid ourselves, no matter what, the 2000 and the Nexus are two expensive players and it would be economical for the club to have a player, especially supposedly the best and most expensive, to be able to support all configurations from Rekordbox to Serato to Traktor, rather keeping it exclusively a non DVS supported player.
So everyone saying "why would you buy a Nexus rig just to run Scratch Live?" well there, I didn't buy it, the club did, now I have to use the beloved Nexus CDJ's in CD Timecode mode making the players no better than a shiny CDJ-1000. You tell me if that's properly using a Nexus2000.
Btw no blame on Pioneer, I love your products, and I am aware the update we are waiting for is from Serato.
I do understand where you are coming from. It was a similar case when people would buy CDJ-1000's back in the day and only use serato on it. The extra $600 of features were basically neutralized, you could have efficiently just used an 800. However, in many small cities and states, especially like mine in Iowa, while your preference to only use Serato on a Nexus is a bit of an overkill, imagine the 2 or 3 pairs here in my state that my scene is aware of. Those will be the go to guys when it's time to throw a big show with a big headliner who requests the Nexus. The rental offers will be amazing.
So, like I said, I agree, Nexus is an overkill for only use with Scratch Live, but the principle can be applied "better to have it and not need and than to need it and not have it."
While I'm happy with my 850's as my personal pair, I still think its necessary for the 2000Nxs to support HID control because of the club installation factor.
better to have it and not need and than to need it and not have it.
Did everyone get their respective answer in this thread?
I'll take that as a yes, then.
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