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[SOLVED] CDJ 2000 nexus and serato

Brian Sabella
posted this on September 17, 2012 15:44

Will the new cdj 2000 nexus work natively with serato out of the box or will we have to wait for a firmware update.

 

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Romain Good

That's a good question. I've bought 2 CDJ 2000 nexus to remplace my CDJ 800 mk2. I use Serato SL3. I've didn't find the HID standard/advanced option in the Utility menu. Is that normal? Will we have to wait a firmware update?

September 19, 2012 23:47
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BriChi
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you bought 2 nexus cdj's just to control serato? 

September 20, 2012 02:24
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Northrider 23
Hey Brian. I had the same question as you and pretty much got the same answer (nothing). I get the feeling that rekordbox is getting a big push with this release. I'm giving it a try as well, but still want to know if I can control serato natively. Hopefully we'll get a clear answer soon. Impatiently awaiting the arrival of my cdj's
September 20, 2012 02:32
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Romain Good

... 

1. My CDJ 800 had a long life, they have lots of problem now...

2. No I haven't, but I want to control serato too... 

3. My choice is the result of a long hesitation between the CDJ 900, CDJ 2000 and the CDJ 2000 Nexus...

I know there are lot's of prejudice between DJs 'cause lot's of them pretend to be a good one and are not, only based on the success of David Guetta or other one, and without passion for the music. I don't want to have the most beautiful and the most impressive equipment, I just want to have the more practice to satisfy my passion.

If the CDJ 2000 nexus have the HID integration, it will be welcome. That's why I'm looking for a forum where music's passionates could have an answer for me ;)

September 20, 2012 02:49
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Brian Sabella

i plan on converting everything to rekord box.  However i still have alot of Video jobs on the books and need serato for them.  I have spoken to pioneer directly and have been told the nexus will work by 2 different people that it will work the same.  i will call them again and ask about the HID advanced mode specifically. 

September 20, 2012 02:53
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BriChi
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I know where you're at Bri :) Was just asking romain because if you're only ever going to control serato, the 2000mk1 would be the same as the nexus. Might as well save the cash
September 20, 2012 02:55
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Romain Good

You're right BriChi, and lot's of DJ controller do the same too, for less cash ;)

September 20, 2012 02:59
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BriChi
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right but again, the Nexus and the 2000mk1 are the exact same deck, the added features are "if" you use them as standalone RB decks. Of course other decks are cheaper and do similar functions but the 2000 is the most reliable and thats why we all use them, but to get the Nexus over the 2000mk1 to just control serato literally is a waist of money, its the same deck

September 20, 2012 03:46
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Brian Sabella

just spoke to pioneer and they are telling me hid advanced is in the utilities as it is the same deck as 2000 just with the added features. 

September 20, 2012 03:54
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Romain Good

That's right BriChi. I've choose the 2000 nexus 'cause it's the most reliable, like the 2000, and 'cause of added features. Serato is just an option for me.

Brian, I've no hid standard/advanced in the utilities. But this is the 1.02 firmware on it.  Perhaps I need to upgrade with the last version of CDJ 2000 firmware, but it seems strange.

September 20, 2012 05:05
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BriChi
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Yeah Romain, Definitely update, you are far behind FW wise

September 20, 2012 05:16
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Brian Sabella

the firmware is the same for both players?????  Why wouldn't Pioneer send nexus with latest firmware

September 20, 2012 05:21
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BriChi
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Romain, you have the 2000Nexus already? or you talking about looking for the option in a 2000mk1?

 

Bri, the FW is completely different between the 2 units, the nexus FW must be different to handle all the new options and settings

September 20, 2012 05:23
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Brian Sabella

Romain  you said you have the CDJ2000 Nexus Correct?

September 20, 2012 05:25
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Romain Good

I don't know.That's why I would thinking the CDJ 2000 firmware was not the same!

BriChi, are you sure the firmware are the same between CDJ 2000 and 2000 nexus?

September 20, 2012 05:25
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Romain Good

Yes, this is the nexus!

Ah okay, so no updates at the moment ;)

September 20, 2012 05:27
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BriChi
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no, i am saying the FW is not the same between the 2, they are 2 different decks, there is no way the have the same FW, it may be similar because of similar features but the 2000nexus FW most likely starts from a 1.??

and thats awesome that you have a nexus already! I thought you were talking MK1 because the Nexus hasnt shipped to to many spots yet, enjoy!

have you tried to use serato in HID mode yet? Maybe they dont have a standard mode anymore and its all advanced, therefore you wouldnt need a menu option

September 20, 2012 05:27
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Romain Good

yes that's right, the 1.02 ;)

September 20, 2012 05:29
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BriChi
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have you tried to use it with serato? maybe there is no option in the menu and it just always works in "advanced mode"? or the decks can auto detect if its Serato/traktor/VDJ etc..... and will switch to advanced if needed. Just because its not in the menu doesnt mean it wont work with serato, since you're the only one with the decks, we will wait for you to try :) LOL

 

September 20, 2012 05:32
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Brian Sabella

BriChi  that could be.  I called Pioneer 3 times and they all told me it will work

September 20, 2012 05:34
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Brian Sabella

Romain  if you could please try what BriChi Suggested about possible auto detect and let us know it would be appreciated.  Everyone I seem to talk to in the stores seems to give a different opinion.  but pioneer said it will work.  No one here has them yet. 

September 20, 2012 06:22
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Romain Good

Sorry, I was in the store where I bouthgt them.

I've just tried, but it doesn't work like that.

And in the Link mode, i'm only in USB midi control mode.

September 20, 2012 07:19
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Brian Sabella

ok thanks

if anyone from Pioneer and Serato  is reading this thread please look into this.  Is HID advanced located somewhere else in the player or does it need to be added  with a firmware update.  Again I called Pioneer tek support and three different people told me that this is available and nothing has been lost in the upgrade to Nexus - Please Confirm

September 20, 2012 08:05
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Romain Good

something new on the serato forum:

"DJSabella 11:56 PM - 17 September, 2012
Will serato work natively with the new pioneer CDJ 2000 Nexus or will there need to be an update.
Dave W 4:09 AM - 19 September, 2012
Hey DJSabella,

At this stage there is nothing on the roadmap for this to happen. However that could change, we'll let users know if so.

Regards
Dave W"
September 20, 2012 08:05
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Northrider 23

Well that flat out blows..  Now I'm contemplating on canceling my order.  I still use Serato for video and hate timecode....  And I've already wasted a few days working with RB setting cue points...  FML

September 20, 2012 08:24
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Northrider 23

wondering what went on or wrong..  I took this from Pioneer's website

http://pioneerdj.com/english/products/player/cdj-2000nexus.html

 

Other functions

  • DJ software MIDI/HID control
  • ● “ACTIVE LOOP” automatically starts loops when playback begins from a specified point
  • ● “LOAD PREVIOUS TRACK” returns to  music that has already been loaded
  • ● “RATING ON-THE-GO” enables tracks to be rated during play
September 20, 2012 08:42
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BriChi
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Thats right in their description, Pioneer supports HID, it is up to the software developers from Serato/Traktor, etc..... to incorporate it into their code for that particular player. If pioneer did not change anything on the HID end or how it communicates,, then it should connect right out of the box. No one will know till it is tested. Pioneer says it will work, serato says it will not right now. good luck to the serato users on the final outcome :) 

September 20, 2012 08:49
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Brian Sabella

is it possible they moved the HID Advanced setting

September 20, 2012 08:52
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Phil
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i don't think so. Advanced HID is now HID and the old Standard HID was actually just midi (MID)...

@romain - where abouts are you? just curious to know where stock of the Nexus has arrived...

September 20, 2012 09:18
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Brian Sabella

Phil - so is the new cdj2000 Nexus able to work with Serato in internal mode or will you need timecode cd's. 

September 20, 2012 09:28
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Brian Sabella

if you need time code cd's is there plans for native support in the near future

September 20, 2012 09:29
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Phil
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sorry brian, i'm just a user like you and don't know. i was just clearing up the change in terminology. your question needs to be asked of Serato as it is their job to add the code to their software. my guess would be 'yes' as they were the quickest off the mark to support the Advanced HID on the CDJ 2000 but it is only a guess.

September 20, 2012 09:40
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Romain Good

Know I will use timecode CDs and Rekordbox until a new upgrade of serato (if they want to do it...).

Is there the same problem with Tracktor?

@Phil, I'm in the North of France. Here the new CDJ 2000 nexus are in shop since monday

September 20, 2012 10:58
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Romain Good

Confirmation about HID Advanced on the Serato forum by the owners: no HID Advanced on the new CDJ 2000 nexus!

"DJSabella 7:15 PM - 20 September, 2012

Thanks Dave. Is the CDJ 2000 Nexus a completely new format than the CDJ 2000 which I already own and have no issues with. Pioneer is telling me differently. They state nothing has been lost in the new player, However in speaking with people on the forums. HID Advanced does not exist on the new Nexus. Has serato had any conversations with Pioneer about the native support issue for the Nexus"
Perhaps in the next update of the firmware, 'cause the function was annonced, as said Northrider 23
September 20, 2012 11:03
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Ryan0751

I'm a Traktor user here, just got my 2000 Nexus's and I can confirm that HID does not work using Traktor either.  

Lets stop with the "Why would you do that?" and work on fixing the problem.  Many of us like very flexible setups.  Sometimes we like using the software, other times we just take the decks and play of sticks (I use Traktor at home, the decks only when I play out).  

The whole "HID Standard/HID Advanced" thing was just a mode setting on the 2000 MK1.  Meaning, "Advanced" wasn't some special feature, it was just an HID mode with more features for more complex software.

I'm hoping that Pioneer is just supporting one full mode of HID on this player.

Unfortunately that means now we wait.  And wait.  And wait.  Last time it took NI over 2 years to get HID for the 2000.  In fact it just came out this summer. 

Very disappointed.

September 27, 2012 12:50
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BriChi
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Traktor / Serato are the one that needs to code it in, bitch at them :)

September 27, 2012 13:00
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Ryan0751

Still, Pioneer should have given them units pre-release to develop off it.  This is a flagship product!  Don't take away features.

September 27, 2012 13:22
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BriChi
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couldnt agree more, they should definitely be given one, same as some people should be given them for strong beta testing

September 27, 2012 14:12
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Northrider 23
We can bitch at the software companies all we want but, truth be told, Pioneer is the one advertising the feature, and as far as I'm reading there isn't even an HID option in the players (I will have mine by this Wednesday). These players are the most expensive in the market, Think how your clients would feel if you didn't honor your contact as advertised (not a very good business practice). Can someone from pioneer let us know what's being done in regards to this issue.
September 28, 2012 02:15
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BriChi
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right, but they say """"DJ software MIDI/HID control""""" which means the decks ARE ready to control the software via MIDI or HID, the decks have it built in, there is no longer a need to select advanced or regular so thats why people "think" its not included, they just dont know what they are talking about. When I hook up sera to, press link and conect to deck 1, i can fully map a Nexus minus the platter, once serato/traktor decides to code in HID for the nexus, it will work. No one (as far as I read) on pioneers end ever said or advertised that HID could control serato out of the box, thats up to serato and traktor now to get their engineers on board quickly, 


again, This is not putting total blame on them, Pioneer could have offered them a deck to get the work done before release but you cant expect either for pioneer to hold back a release of a deck because serato and traktor are not ready for HID, that part is not pioneers fault. 

September 28, 2012 02:30
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Northrider 23
Do you need to use timecode discs?
September 28, 2012 03:01
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Ryan0751

With HID support, no, no timecode discs.

In the current state (where Serato and NI haven't yet implemented HID for this deck), you can certainly use timecode discs with the players and use Serato/Traktor Scratch.  Even better, you can put the timecode signal onto an SD card and play off of that.

September 28, 2012 03:10
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Northrider 23

Just saw this in the CDJ 2000 Nexus pioneer site Q&A Section. Just wondering on timeframe at this point....

http://pioneerdj.com/support/product.php?c=46&lang=en&p=CDJ-2000NXS&t=faq

 HID control is scheduled to be supported with Native Instruments’ “TRAKTOR”, Serato’s “Scratch Live” and Atomix’ “VirtualDJ”.

 
October 02, 2012 05:50
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james Starling-cass

well i just got my new cdj 2000 nexus out the box today and yep they got no hid setting cant get them to work native with serato thats a pain!!!!

October 04, 2012 11:09
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Djcgamble

Really is a pain just transferred most of my database to rb just another 3607 songs to analyse and im good, really thought pioneer would of left the Advanced Hid option in the utility menu withe the nexus. hopefully there is an update soon.

October 04, 2012 11:25
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fullenglishpint

The Nexus now work with HID in Traktor Pro 2.6, but there are a few missing features (slip doesn't light up, start/brake don't work, reverse doesn't work). I'm hoping Serato can do a better job. I made a short demo video of the Traktor HID integration.

Pioneer CDJ-2000 Nexus with Traktor Pro …

October 29, 2012 06:16
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Ryan0751

The slip button is definitely a bug.  Reverse has never worked with traktor, because traktor doesn't have a reverse feature. 

Same deal with brake and start.  Those features were always handled by timecode.

October 29, 2012 06:23
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fullenglishpint

I get that, but it's a shame. Traktor can handle the track going backwards, slowing up and speeding down at different rates etc, it just needs someone to implement the right control.

October 29, 2012 15:18
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Pri yon Joni

You know, I find it silly when the response by some users saying "you bought a Nexus setup just to use Serato" because while on the surface it might seem inefficient, here's a valid argument that is my real life situation at the moment.

I own 2 CDJ-850's controlling Scratch Live. The club I work for uses a Rane 62 as a mixer and just this week got a pair of CDJ-2000Nexus. They got it for the reason that there are some of us using Serato, another guy using Traktor, a few of us studying to use Rekordbox, but most importantly, whenever they bring a big EDM act into the club, we don't have to go try tracking down 2 or 4 of the 10 known CDJ-2000's (only 2 of which are Nexus's) around the entire state of Iowa.

Let's not kid ourselves, no matter what, the 2000 and the Nexus are two expensive players and it would be economical for the club to have a player, especially supposedly the best and most expensive, to be able to support all configurations from Rekordbox to Serato to Traktor, rather keeping it exclusively a non DVS supported player.

So everyone saying "why would you buy a Nexus rig just to run Scratch Live?" well there, I didn't buy it, the club did, now I have to use the beloved Nexus CDJ's in CD Timecode mode making the players no better than a shiny CDJ-1000. You tell me if that's properly using a Nexus2000.

April 11, 2013 04:58
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Pri yon Joni

Btw no blame on Pioneer, I love your products, and I am aware the update we are waiting for is from Serato.

April 11, 2013 04:59
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BriChi
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And the point I was making was for an individual user, not a club. I do still find it silly for an individual DJ who owns their own stuff to buy the nexus decks if the ONLY intent is to control Serato, then yes, it's still a waste
April 11, 2013 05:40
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Pri yon Joni

I do understand where you are coming from. It was a similar case when people would buy CDJ-1000's back in the day and only use serato on it. The extra $600 of features were basically neutralized, you could have efficiently just used an 800. However, in many small cities and states, especially like mine in Iowa, while your preference to only use Serato on a Nexus is a bit of an overkill, imagine the 2 or 3 pairs here in my state that my scene is aware of. Those will be the go to guys when it's time to throw a big show with a big headliner who requests the Nexus. The rental offers will be amazing. 

 

So, like I said, I agree, Nexus is an overkill for only use with Scratch Live, but the principle can be applied "better to have it and not need and than to need it and not have it."

 

While I'm happy with my 850's as my personal pair, I still think its necessary for the 2000Nxs to support HID control because of the club installation factor.

April 11, 2013 10:05
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BriChi
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better to have it and not need and than to need it and not have it.


agree 100%

April 11, 2013 10:09
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Gavin
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Did everyone get their respective answer in this thread?

April 13, 2013 03:11
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Gavin
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I'll take that as a yes, then.

April 16, 2013 04:55
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