Right, this maybe a completely stupid question but it's killing me to know... How the hell do you seamlessly feedback loop while in the mix? I've achieved it once or twice on fluke occasions where the pitch seems to match the EFX unit timing but the majority of the time it fails. I find this problem with virtually all Pioneer effects on both the EFX1000 and DJM800... The trans after a while never cuts perfectly in time, if you roll a half beat it goes out of time after less than a bar etc etc...

I just want to be able to use all these features in the mix! Especially feedback looping, so i can chop beats up while I'm bringing in a new tune. The timing is always just slightly off... Is this possible or am I just mad?

I usually play around the 133 - 144 mark, is there a mathematical issue which means these units can't process the effect to quite the right time? Eg. The feedback loop at 8/1 should have a time of (for example) 3558.4m/sec but instead just goes to 3558? I always use 0.02% pitch while mixing, is that too fine a measurement???

I've tried everything, using the TAP on the DJM800 and using MIDI to reset the EFX timing. Using TAP. Not using TAP. Letting automatic BPM run for ages before trying etc etc I feel like I've exhausted all options...

Pleeease help!

Just pause the track on the CD player while doing the loop/roll and start it again when you exit!

Yea but the loop is never exact. You can't use it in the middle of a mix. For example, I've got a couple of tunes with vocals in the intros, it'd be cool to be able to feedback loop them and cut them up while mixing, then exit the loop back to the track and have the whole process seamless...

You CAN it just takes a bit more attention.

sure its tricky to do but possible... it usually needs moving up in small increments on the bpm of the mixer tap. other than that when in loop or roll monitor the fx and the cd and move the cd tempo in time... its annoying as you find that you have to change the pitch of your sets by about 1ish % every time this is done.. i play quite fast at 148 so i cannot keep doing this or i would finish on a silly speed. im sure they will sort this out at some point, i hope... you should be able to lock your mixer tempo because you tap the bpm and get the speed then if you ajust this and then move from eights to sixteenths for example it re sets to the tap tempo and not the tempo you ajusted it to...

these things are meant to test us!

True... When's Robbie gana bring you back? We should catch up for a geek out

"its annoying as you find that you have to change the pitch of your sets by about 1ish % every time this is done.."

Yea fully get that, that's why I'm wondering if it's actually a mathematical problem...

hi mate sussed out how to perfectly feedback loop.I play at 140 bpm which is 3441, to loop over 8 beats just hold down the 8 button and press the tap button.you can now chop up as you like and will never change from 3441.let me know how you get on.keep the efx on auto bpm mode to do this.Do it over a vocal and it will loop perfectly through out the whole tune and into the next.