Is the lazer for example, higher quality than the 1000? If the answer is yes, please give some examples. I'm not talking about features just to be clear.

also is the build quality of the same standard and reliability?

Similarly, does the DJM 800 have higher quality internal parts than the DJM 700 or 'better'sound quality. If so please give examples.

Thanks!

Yes and no to both.

For example, the DJM700 doesn't feature any digital inputs so that's a clear bonus for the DJM800.

The CDJ1000 may employ a higher quality D/A converter than the CDJ800 but without disassembling both and comparing them, there's no telling. We know that the quality of the buttons is better on a CDJ1000, the 800 only has plastic instead of metal.

The jogdial is the same on both units.

There's little which is "better" in one than another but it's more the features which make the difference.

Thanks for your reply Pluse.

Pioneer make them so if anyone should know it should be pioneer.

So the CDJ 1000 does employ a higher quality D/A converter? Do you know whether the lazers that read the discs are the same model, spec ect. Doesn't the 800 mk2 have metal buttons? Is it possible for you to find out about the internals, any more examples, on the inside, rather than on the out that would make the 1000 higher quality than the 800 (not features wise)? Is either unit likely to last longer due to the internals being different (if the actually are?

I read about some people jog wheels plastic peeling off on the 800 in particuar, would this potentially be the same with the 1000 then?

Thanks for your time, cheer pulse

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The majority of the physical items (CDR drive, etc) are all the same pieces simply for cost economics; buy more, save more.

The 800 has plastic buttons, they're just silver coloured.

The jog surface was different from the 800 to the 1000 because of the order in which they were released, Pioneer tried to improve it each time (but the mechanics remained fairly similar). The issue with the jog peeling is weird - it only seems to happen to certain people which makes me believe it's body-chemistry, and no, it only seems to happen to the 800.

Neither will "outlast" the other simply based on the parts used but more how you care for the players. Cover them when you're done, don't smoke around them, use proper cases for transportation, don't store things ON the platter, etc.

I used an 800 at a gig and the entire platter surface peeled back. It was later found out that my touch when scratching produces heat in the neighborhood of 4800'F, enough to melt ROCK..

I thought that only happend to me.

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Originally posted by Pulse:
The majority of the physical items (CDR drive, etc) are all the same pieces simply for cost economics; buy more, save more.

The 800 has plastic buttons, they're just silver coloured.

The jog surface was different from the 800 to the 1000 because of the order in which they were released, Pioneer tried to improve it each time (but the mechanics remained fairly similar). The issue with the jog peeling is weird - it only seems to happen to certain people which makes me believe it's body-chemistry, and no, it only seems to happen to the 800.

Neither will "outlast" the other simply based on the parts used but more how you care for the players. Cover them when you're done, don't smoke around them, use proper cases for transportation, don't store things ON the platter, etc.

That doesn't really make sense. If pioneer used the same parts for both cdj's they wouldn't benefit from economies of scale on one model more than the other. Pulse you must be able to find out something about the drives, lazer, D/A converters ect so if you could that'd be great.

Are the mk2's really plastic buttons?

Yeah, i've never heard any complaints about the 1000's jog wheel peeling and they are installed everywhere so you think their jog wheels would take someserious still in clubs. No owners ever mention it on forums either.

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That doesn't really make sense. If pioneer used the same parts for both cdj's they wouldn't benefit from economies of scale on one model more than the other.

Not really. Pioneer could be using the came cd playing mechanism in the 200s, 400's, 800's, and 1000's. That one mechanism probably drives how small the united can be. i.e. I've never seen anything smaller than a 100.

However, the mainboards that each model use (kinda like the motherboard in a computer) would be different from one model to the next, since features are wildly different. Chances are Pioneer uses the same factory to manufacturer all the boards, so build quality would be on par with each other.

I mean, everything I said it based on guessed of my own, but they make sense in my own twisted little head

I don't have access to the factory or design schematics, so no, I can't tell you if they are identical or not. I'd be willing to bet that certain batches of the units over the years have had different parts based on cost, availability and reliability.

Are you asking because you're concerned?

Yeah, I was told by a guy in a london retailer over the phone (who seemed, on reflection, to want to sell me the most expensive pioneer gear poissble) that the 1000 had far superior internals, lazers ect in terms of quality and would therefore last alot longer. He said simlar things between the DJM 800 & 700 about cutting costs. He said he was told this by pioneer when the initiallly brought the units to the stores, but I don't really believe a word he says. Is there anyone I could speak to in the UK that would know the facts of this matter(email or phone)?

I can afford the 1000's at a scarifice of other producing gear, but may just end up using them with a DVS and I do like the seemless loop on the 800's(beatcutter, how accurate is that tempo BTW?. I do have plans to host my own night sometime in the future. Basically, I want quality that lasts - my vestax TT's lasted me 10 yrs and counting; so at £1000, I saw them as a worthy investment. And I do have sweaty paws sometimes so I wouldn't want to ruin my 800's jog wheel.

Plenty of users are still rocking their 800 MK1s and CDJ1000 MK1s. i don't think it's a quality issue as much as a preference issue. I always maintain that you buy the gear that makes the most sense for your needs and wants. If the 800 does it for you then buy it, if the 1000 is better for you then get that.

Rarely do we hear that 800 owners wish they had bought 1000s or that they aren'y happy with the 800s performance....

I tried both yesterday and felt very little difference between them in terms of feel. I'd go for the 800's but I didn't like either of them....I'm getting a pair of Turntables and going back to vinyl (this time using a DVS).

I didn't like the faders on the DJM 700 at all but filtering the a roll sample is cool. I think I'm gonna get a DJM 800, it's NICE! Is the crossfader the same on both the DJm 700 and 800. They felt the same but I could anyone tell the 800's upfaders are way higher quality?

Can pioneer make some firmware to allow the colour fx to be used on the roll sampler? That would be the bomb!

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