Hi,

Bought one of these babies last month. Already had two 800s, which never gave me a problem. I do feel, however, that there are a couple of problems with my new 1000.

1. My CDs are getting scratched more and they are skipping every now and then on the 1000, but not on the 800. I thought I was paranoid, but at this stage I think the 1000 is scratching them. New cds appear quite scratched on the back.

2. Sometimes a tracks tempo decreases and increases ever so slightly by itself. I played a new track (just burned) on my 800. No problem. Played the same track on the 1000 straight after and at a certain point just into the track it slows down a bit and then resumes normal tempo. Same point every time. Is the 1000 more sensitive to CD flaws?? What's up there?

As you can imagine the above are causing some difficulties when mixing. Do I need to send it back to Pioneer? Based in Ireland btw.

Cheers for any help,

Iain

I moved from 800s to mk2 and I only felt like I should have done it sooner...

wait 'till more people comment, but I would seriously expect that you got defective units...

seeing as theyre only a month old id reccomend you speak to the guys at the shop you bought it from, give em a call and see if you can take them back in there for them to look at and compare with other units for you. demonstrate it directly to them so they can see what you're talking about. the few times ive had a defective product relatively soon after ive got em ive walked back in to the shop, showed them the problem, and often they'll crack open another box for me and put the replacement into my hands on the spot. much much much easier then dealing with lacklustre manufacturer direct support networks that exist in some places from some manufacturers (haven't dealt with the eire support people, im just generalising about prosumer electronics)



to summarise:

1) speak to the guys where you bought from, see if you can sort it out with them. minimal stress.



2) if they aren't willing to help use this info to make contact :

Audio Vision Import LTD. (Pioneer distributor)

service: (+353) 1 240 5643

Info & service: info@avi.ie

I notice that my MK2's do this sometimes also. A track will be playing and it will briefly slow down and speed up. I still love them, though it is scary.

Cheers lads.

I dropped it into a shop that a Pioneer representive in Dublin recommended (no official Pioneer shop in Cork). He said he would try and fix the cd scratching problem.
He told me the slight tempo change is common and it is due to a higher sampling ratio then the 800. Wtf does that mean?? After trying to disagree with him and getting nowhere I smiled, nodded and left. Any idea there? Is it commmon?

Err, what? a higher sampling ratio so the music has qwirks, slowing down and speeding up... no...

And mine don't have that btw

an unidentified signal has been existing in the system for some time.

Stupid question, but was this tempo change when you were using a CDR? What about the Master Tempo?

Yes, with a CDR, with Master tempo on and pitch range set to .02. I wonder if it was set to a different pitch range?

Try it with a commercial CD and see if it does the same thing.

Chances are that it won't. It only happens the very odd time.

So it sounds like it's probably just poorly (or high-speed) burned CDRs. Try reducing your burn speed and see if it happens again.

hi guys i have just been looking through the forum, checking all the info about this skipping thing. only as its been happening to me for the past 4 months or so. the latest thing i have noticed, it that it is sometimes intermitent, but i think it depends on the player, i was just mixing 2 cds and one had the skip, so i swaped the cds over mixed the same bits again and no skip this time, one of my players seems to be more sensitve then the other to these bad bits of the cd.
this was also the same player that i have a problem with last year and was eventualy fixed in barcilona, im sure this is a seperate issue, and i dont know if thay would have done a laser alignment cheack on it while doing the other work. but if i get these skips when im playing at home, it does happen more on this unit, but it can happen at times on the other.
i had also been djing on two other cdj 1000 mk2s in mexico for a couple of weeks, and i had noticed that sometimes i aslo got some skips in the same cds. when this happens i do try and mark them up, and try on a different player.
when i got back from there i brought a new plextor cd writer, to replace my old sony one, just to see if this made any difference, with my old player i would normally use nero and burn at X2, then with a newer nero i had to burn at X4 min, on all types of media with out any problem.
this year i had tried different cd media trying always to buy the more expensive branded stuff.(not much to choose from here in ibiza)
i was convinced that this batch of tdks was the problem, but then it happend with the new plextor player, with phillips cdrs using nero, and then using the software that comes with the plextor drive.
i will still keep tying to solve this problem, by sourceing better media, rebooting my pc before writing at x4 etc.
but i dont understand why i did not have problems with these little skips at the begining of last year.
a friend who djs in pacha and el devino here also has noticed this problem with the playes.
oh! one other thing it also happend with a cd that was burnt in a tascam cd rw700 pro recorder, from a vinyl recording. and these record at X1 speed no?
i will try to get to a friends soon who has some 800s and see if its the same on them.
thay are so anoying, these skips, you only really notice them when your in the mix, and pop bang you suddenly have a train crash, and its normally when your playing that tune out live or on the radio for the first time.
its does make you feel like a right **** when that happens

well i have just downloaded some new tracks in wav format, rebooted my pc, turned extra resource using programs off, and burnt using nero v6 to verbatim cdrs at X4, have been mixing with the new tracks over the weekend then today, pop one of the tracks skiped, funny enough on the same problem player. did the mix again and yes it skipped in the same spot, rewound and then it was ok, then it was fine for the next couple of time i tried it.
so i am trying to do everything to make these cds as good as i can, but this player still skips at times, and yes in the same spots on the cd, but not all the time???????????
so this has happend on 3 different brands of cd, on 2 different writers, using different software, at the slowist speed possible, while not have my computer networked, doing different tasks etc...
im getting a bit confused as to what may be causing these skips now, but one thing i do know, its only one of my players picking them up.
would this just be a laser ajustment thing you think.

Have you contacted tech support?

yep have sent them an e-mail today, so lets wait to see what thay have to say about it.

its funny a friend of mine come over today, and he had just done a mix cd, he had used the system in one of the clubs here, he knows someone who lets him use the dj booth to make mix cds.
anyway same thing happend to him with a pioneer cdjmk2, and he is fussy about burning his disks to, he wont even put labels on them.
he also djs in a popular bar here, where thay have one cdj1000 and a cdj100, he gets the skips on the 1000 there.

i know we all have to get in touch with tec support about this, but i think we all try and use this forum, to try and solve some problems that we may be having, or at least narrow down the cause of the problem.

this issue, at least here in ibiza is starting to pop up a lot, but why only over the last half year or so, i never had this problem before, and i dont think speaking to other people thay had as well. on the older players it was easy, normally after time the laser would just need to be re aligned, but now it is all a bit more complicated then that.

i also wonder if other brands also have a similar problem with skips, and thay are telling there buyers, well get your power surply sorted out, buy this cdwriter and this software etc. and once you have done all these things, it might do what you expext it to.
if anyone has used the other stuff, please let me know if this is the case.

ok sorry but i just had to ad this, another dj friend who does some premix cds for another radio station here, has just told me, that the reason she does the mix cds at my place, is that the pioneer cdjs at this other radio station, kept skipping a lot, and she got so pissed at this the live recordings stopped.
i am going to spend the next few months anoying other djs with these questions about the cdjs i think.

Jon your in Ibiza right? If so I will speak with someone this week.

yes i am in ibiza!
i dont know if you looked at another post that was about the problem, that one of my cdjs was having with the screen going blank, it was a bit of a long saga, but the unit was eventualy fixed in barcilona.
mine which is having the problems, is also the same unit, i think if it is a service issue, i may well be giving it to some one else on the island to fix, there are people here that do a lot of the club pa/booth installs, and i think thay know more about the cdjs, then the guys from the offical servive centers here.
i also do know that the power here, is not so hot, but a lot of people here looks at you like your mad when you try and tell them these machines run better with clean power.
at the moment i have mine at home plugged into a computer ups, but only on the filter and protection sockits.
but that does not seem to have made any difference.
any further info you can come up with would be interesting.

its the first time i have taken my units out the house since the problems with one player last year.
we are doing a favor for a friends birthday, and hloding a party for her, anyway! pluged in both cdj1000s and one of the dispays is looking strange agian, and funny that it is the same player that was fixed last year, the same im having the skip problems with, and funny that it is now out of the last 3 month warrenty it had for the service.
i have borrowed a cdj800 just in case it fails tonight, the way the screen looks, i dont hold my hopes up.
i will let you and technical support know what happens.
should be a good party though, now i have back up.........
i always used to think that having 3 cdjs in a booth was for accapella tricks etc.... now i know why!