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Pioneer Newbie
Location: ARIZONA
Registered: 11 September 2004
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Hi,

I have heard a DJ who uses the CDJ-1000 that seems to be utilizing an effect to transition between songs when mixing. It seems to be an echo, delay, or reverb from the DJM600. What confuses me is the original song continues to play (with an echoed like sound) while the new song is mixed in on beat. It is a great effect, especially as a transition between two different sounding songs.

I have tried this at home with my equipment (2 cdj-1000's & djm 600) and don't seem to be doing it the same way. I have set my mixer on various effects and when ready to transition, hit stop on the CD player with "old song", and mix into "new song". ((In other words, I keep the mixer fader in the center between song channels, set effect on DJM 600, hit stop on old song so it echoes (or others), hit start on new song on measure of old song, and then stop the effect.)) The outcome is just not the same as I have heard. Also, by doing it as described, the djm 600 effect also impacts the new song coming in.

If you are familiar with utilizing the transition approach as I have tried to describe above, please provide input with specific instructions. Also, if you have any other suggestions on utilizing effects to transition between songs, please provide comments.

Thanks!

DJ Grill
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If I am thinking of the right effect it is not found on the 600, you can get that effect with the efx-500 unit.
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i cant really understand what ur trying to say. although gin could be to blame for that... would u be able to post a sample of it?
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oh actually i think i do know. i know u can do it on the djm600 but havent touched one of those in like 12 months. on the efx u use the echo turned down to like 25 (or whatever multiple of the bpm reading) and then add crazy [bleep] on the second dsp.
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I do something like that on the 3000 with the Fader start effects?


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i *think* he means something like this
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Changed "useres" to "users".


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doh. too much gin and starburst.
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I sometimes use that transition and what I do is assign the echo effect to the cdj channel that's playing the old song, then when I activate the echo effect I hit the line switch on that channel that the echo is on. This way the echo continues but the song is cut. If you try to cut the song any other way (faders) it will cut the effect as well. This also prevents the second song from having any echo since I have the effect assigned to the one channel only. If I understand what you're trying to do, then I think this is the best way to create the effect on the 600. Anyone?
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Location: ARIZONA
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SeeMSee,

You have exactly answered the question...Thanks!!!

I have played around after reading your post and am hitting the line switch on the channel playing the old song, letting the song echo and then start the new song on beat & measure with the echo (and turning off the effect by hitting the on/off button at the same time).

Any suggestions on the best way to maximize the impact of this type of transition? I would like it to sound as much like the new song is being mixed into an effect of the old song as possible. Have you found any effect to work better than others and at at what setting do you recommend setting the time parameter and beats (ex 1/, 3/4 1/1, 2/1, 4/1).

One last question, what is the best settings to get the best sound brake effect? The best I have come up with is having the touch/brake at 12:00, and release/start at 3:00.


Thanks for the help!
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Registered: 05 July 2003
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hey DJGrill, can u put a small sample online for us to have a quick listen... i dont have any equipment on me right now so i cant try it out.

oh and talking about touch/breaks.. how do u guys do it? stop then play in 2 seconds? or is there something else to it? i dont think ive ever heard anyone do that..
thanx
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oh and talking about touch/breaks.. how do u guys do it? stop then play in 2 seconds? or is there something else to it? i dont think ive ever heard anyone do that..
thanx



The brake is a great alternative to slamming the next song in. Instead of just going from one song and quickly bringing the song over, you can use the brake and then drop the next song in. If you use numbers, a regular slam would sound like this: 1-2-3-4-NEW SONG but if you used a brake it could go like this:
1-2-3-brake-NEW SONG
This is just one way. If you throw in scratches or echoes then you would put the brake in at another spot.
I usually keep my brake setting between 12 O'clock and 1 O'clock. That seems to have the most natural sounding brake. If you put it at 3 O'clock or later, then it sounds like you turned the power off of your 1200.
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Any suggestions on the best way to maximize the impact of this type of transition? I would like it to sound as much like the new song is being mixed into an effect of the old song as possible. Have you found any effect to work better than others and at at what setting do you recommend setting the time parameter and beats (ex 1/, 3/4 1/1, 2/1, 4/1).

One last question, what is the best settings to get the best sound brake effect? The best I have come up with is having the touch/brake at 12:00, and release/start at 3:00.
Thanks for the help!




I find the best setting for me is to keep the setting at 1/1. Let the beatkeeper find the beat first and then set it to 1/1. Then I keep the level at 9 or 10 o'clock. Have fun!
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ive also seen this trick used but i dont remember him switching the line. i just tried it and you can actually just press echoe button and press the play/pause button on the cdj/turntable your are trying to cut off. the echoe will continue and just die out as the next song is coming in. using the fader will not work.
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ive also seen this trick used but i dont remember him switching the line. i just tried it and you can actually just press echoe button and press the play/pause button on the cdj/turntable your are trying to cut off. the echoe will continue and just die out as the next song is coming in. using the fader will not work.



Yeah, I've even pressed the next and previous buttons when I echo out and play another song on the same cd.
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Once again I would like to say that this type of effect is easier to do using an efx-500.
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Thanks again for the replies!

SeeMSee,

Please explain...how do you "let the beatkeeper find the beat first"?

Also, I'm assuming you mean the level/depth knob at 9 or 10 o'clock. Do you adjust the parameter/time knob at all, or do you leave it at the default for the beats selected (ex 1/1)?

Thanks again.

Dj Grill

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When you assign the effect to a certain channel it will calculate the bpms as best as it can. You won't need to adjust the parameter/time knob. Yes I do mean the level/depth knob. It may not automactically set to 1/1. But once you allow it to calculate the bpm, it will show you what setting it's at. Then you can manually set it to 1/1 using the buttons.
Grill, I'm assuming you don't have an efx-500? If so then Wicho is right you can get the same effect with it. If you don't have one then this isn't hard to do at all.
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