First of all, hi everyone (my first post)

I'm having some problems with my two CDJ-400's and the latest version of VirtualDJ. I've recieved two USB-cables compatible with my decks for connecting with my laptop and I've updated the software version of the decks to 1.300, installed the computer update found at http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/content/support/support/upgrade/CDJ400.html and all that, but I can't seem to get the configuration in VirtualDJ right. When I configure the software so that it knows that I've got two decks connected to the computer and press the Time config button an error message appears, saying "Not enough channels" and at some point it says "Error in ASIO driver". The only option I have is to press OK.

My setup at the moment looks like this:
2xCDJ-400 connected via the PC-USB-ports to my laptop (individually through diffrent ports)
Laptop running VirtualDJ Pro connected to headphones via the 3.5mm port on internal soundcard.

When I connect the decks to the computer, I hear the "Windows-sound" for a new PnP-unit.

The questions are:
1. Have I connected everything the right way?
2. I shouldn't have to use some external sound card, right? (since cdj-400 = soundcard)
3. Do I have to connect something else in this setup?
4. Do I need any drivers for this to work, other than the newer version of CDJ-400 (v1.300) and the ASIO drivers found on pioneers support site?

With regards

1) Yes.
2) You only need to use the CDJ400's since they have built-in ASIO soundcards.
3) No.
4) No.

What you need to do is set the devices so each virtual deck outputs the audio to each physical player, thus rendering the internal software mixer useless.

The reason it says "not enough channels" is because the software is expecting more than 2 channels (which are for 1 stereo device) because of the two players (as separate outputs) or two outputs; one for mixer master one for headphone cue. You need to configure it the other way.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pulse:
1) Yes.
2) You only need to use the CDJ400's since they have built-in ASIO soundcards.
3) No.
4) No.

What you need to do is set the devices so each virtual deck outputs the audio to each physical player, thus rendering the internal software mixer useless.
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Well, uh.. Ok.. But ain't that what I'm doing in the configuration in VirtualDJ? (which is currently giving me an error message)

Do I need to do anything in the Windows Control Panel for sound settings or something?

The internal mixer isn't useless, or is it? Couldn't I be using that one to mix songs between the two physical decks connected to the PC?

You could use the 2 soundcards with the internal mixer -- one for the master output, the other for your headphone cueing. The only problem there is you still need a way to get the audio from the CDJ's RCA outputs to a headphone level ... with volume control. I find it's really much easier to do it via a hardware mixer.

You don't need to do anything with the Windows CP, all the settings are within VDJ.

Is it not letting you configure two different soundcards?

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Originally posted by Pulse:
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Is it not letting you configure two different soundcards?

Yep, it finally did actually..

Ok, so here's whats happened; I've managed to setup VirtualDJ to function with my two CDJ-400s and the DJM-400 mixer, to some extent.. However I only got the basic functions working..

Well, the CDJs are doing -nothing- but just sitting there and let the music stream through to the physical mixer and out into the headphones and speakersystem.. I've got no functionality regarding song names in the displays, FF, RW, Play/Pause, looping, effects (jog), pitch or song select. The LED-displays are black except for some red and white outlining.

And for the DJM-400, it only lets me control the volume on the two channels, master volume, headphone volume (and channel) and treble, base and mid-range.. No effects or anything..

What I want is for VirtualDJ to work as a playlist of sorts, that can be manually controlled by the two physical decks and mixed together with the physical mixer. If I can use the internal mixer in VirtualDJ ASWELL that would just be a big plus, as there is some effects there that can't be found on the DJM-400 in the software.. Doable or not?

Also, I need to raise the gain-level on the right deck in VirtualDJ to about 75% compared to the 50% on the left deck, otherwise I can't hear whats being played through that channel.. (as if the right deck got fed with too little power or something..) Any solution to that one? Get an external powered USB-hub or something?

EDIT: Is this the mapping I need for VirtualDJ to my CDJ-400s? http://forums.pioneerdj.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8191012904/m/7711007625

Big thanks anyways for all the help, Pulse! You're the man with the big M.

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Yes, you need that map, but I can't recall if I only mapped it for one device or two. If you find it's only for one, you'll need to copy the controls I've set out over to the 2nd deck, changing the MIDI channel where applicable.

And yes, the deck will be dark - until VirtualDJ implements HID (native mode) control, there will be no lights on the CDJ400 when controlling.

As for the mixer not being able to effect the audio ... that's unusual as audio from the computer via the CDJs is no different than running a CD in the deck. Are you sure it's not working?

Yes, you CAN use the mixer (and effects) within the software but then you can run into issues of "Where did my audio go? Ooops!"

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Originally posted by Pulse:
Yes, you need that map, but I can't recall if I only mapped it for one device or two. If you find it's only for one, you'll need to copy the controls I've set out over to the 2nd deck, changing the MIDI channel where applicable.

And yes, the deck will be dark - until VirtualDJ implements HID (native mode) control, there will be no lights on the CDJ400 when controlling.

As for the mixer not being able to effect the audio ... that's unusual as audio from the computer via the CDJs is no different than running a CD in the deck. Are you sure it's not working?

Yes, you CAN use the mixer (and effects) within the software but then you can run into issues of "Where did my audio go? Ooops!"

Right, when I come to think of it, I think i never tried using the effects on the mixer, just asuming that they didn't work as everything else was wrong in any way possible before I got it tuned up.

But since I don't have any internet at home, and have to print every dicussion I have with you onto paper since i can't remember everything being said 'bout MIDI's here and outputs there, I've got one question before I go home and attempt something; How and where do I import the .xml-file for the mapping?

I found this one on the virtualdj-forums: http://es.virtualdj.com/forums/90070/Greek_Forum/pionee...ady_to_spin____.html which is said to be for mapping two CDJ-400s but how do I go from there? I import the .xml file to some subdirectory in the virtualdj-folder and then im done?

EDIT: And any thoughts on why the right decks has a lower output-volume even though everything both on the ext. and int. mixer is configured the same on both decks? As I said, I had to raise the gain in the internal mixer to 75% on the right deck as to the original 50% on the left deck.. Doesn't it get enough power or something? (or, that couldnt be, right, since they both have external powersupplies..) Doesn't matter which song I play, it still sounds lower..

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You may be able to find an XML file out there already mapped for two CDJ400's but DJs will map things differently for the player than others. Just glance through the configuration to see how they've done it and customize it if need be.

What you do is save the file anywhere you want then within the mappings setting screen, load the file from that location and presto!

As for the volume, do you have to adjust it for every track? Remember that not all tracks are created equal and you'll likely have to adjust it somewhere. I'd leave the internal gains set the same and make your adjustments on the mixer.

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Originally posted by Pulse:
You may be able to find an XML file out there already mapped for two CDJ400's but DJs will map things differently for the player than others. Just glance through the configuration to see how they've done it and customize it if need be.

What you do is save the file anywhere you want then within the mappings setting screen, load the file from that location and presto!

As for the volume, do you have to adjust it for every track? Remember that not all tracks are created equal and you'll likely have to adjust it somewhere. I'd leave the internal gains set the same and make your adjustments on the mixer.

Uhm, ok.. I did this yesterday with the .xml-file I found for two cdjs (Config -> Shortcuts -> Load -> Browsing the .xml-file and then press OK) but nothing happened, dunno if its just a faulty .xml file or if I did anything wrong, but I will try tomorrow night with the mapping that you created Pulse.

Regarding the volume, it always stays very low on the right deck, almost as if it got fed with a weaker signal from the USB-port or something.

Lets take an example;
A song being played on the left deck outputs 100db and playing the same song on right deck gives just 75db, without touching any levers.

Wierd..

Weird indeed, wish I knew what it was to help you!

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Originally posted by Pulse:
Weird indeed, wish I knew what it was to help you!

Mkay, so I finally figured everything out.. I used the mapping for dual CDJ-400 setup and it worked quite well, even though the jog wheel aint working as I thought it would. The only effect I can get out of it is the vinyl scratch. No nudging for beatmatching or anything.. But I guess that will come with the native support, I'll just have to do with the Sync-button in VDJ (even though its cheating..)

But now I got one wierd question and although I think its one for the virtualdj-forum.. When I press record, it records every sound coming out, through both channels! (?) The only configuration option I have is to have it record from either Master Output, Master Output + MIC or Line In.. None of these will make the recorder just record the output into the speaker-system.. I'm thinking of getting a separate recording program and just record from the record-output on the mixer with an RCA to 3.5mm cable into the microphone-plug in my laptop..

And yeah, Pulse.. I got the problem with the wierd gain on the separate decks sorted. Or rather, it solved itself..

Compare the single map I made - I was able to figure out the correct combination for BOTH scratching AND nudging the pitch. You may then be able to adapt it for the dual-deck map.

The recording issue is certainly one for the VDJ forums as I didn't even know there was a recording function.

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Originally posted by Pulse:
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The recording issue is certainly one for the VDJ forums as I didn't even know there was a recording function.

I solved the issue with recording by plugin an RCA to 3,5mm cable into the mic-line in in the laptop and the RCA into the 2nd line out from the mixer. And it worked perfectly! now I'm lookin forward to slammin some kickass mixes, big thanks to you Pulse!

I didn't realize there was a record either.. Cool feature.