Pulse can you or someone help out with a how to assign a midi command on the DJM 700 please. I am wanting to control more than just the fader on my edirol v4. I have read both the V4 and 700 manuals back to back and I cannot figure out how to do any of this. FYI I am a total virgin to Midi. Thanks in advance

Not having a V4 in front of me, I can't walk you through it ... and the last time I did any MIDI assignments in a V4 was so long ago I've totally forgotten so I can't even fake it! Sorry.

Perhaps another forum member could assist?

I certainly appreciate the quick response pulse. Perhaps you could translate the DJM700 manual for me? In the chart for midi settings I understand the catagory, switch name, switch type. Can you tell me what MSB and LSB means please. If I want to know what the CH4 cue button is assigned to can you translate this for me MSB = Bn, 49, dd. If anyone else can help out that would be great.

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Realistically, the chart is more complex than you need. If you don't understand what those things mean, you will likely never need them.

Quite simply, open your software, go into the MIDI mapping mode, enable it, select what you want to control, touch / move / press the control on the mixer you want to use and presto!

I am trying to sync Ableton with my DJM-800 but can't seem to get it to work...

I have an M-Audio Fast Track Ultra and have connected my DJM-800 to this via a MIDI cable, and have connected my Fast Track Ultra to my computer via USB.

I have successfully outputed Ableton to one of the channels on the DJM-800. In the preferences I've turned 'Sync' on for the Fast Track Ultra MIDI input.

In the top left corner I then get a yellow (not green) flashing box and and 'EXT' button. I clicked the 'EXT' so it went yellow. I assumed the yellow falshing box was the beat from the DJM-800? If incraese the speed of my cd deck the BPM does go up in Ableton, however when I bring in the Ableton channel its not in time.

Its not just a little bit out either - quite a lot.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I thought that it could be the latency but it doesn't seem close.

Thanks

You have everything connected, now it's just a matter of adjusting the compensation so it starts "on time"!

From Page 6 of the guide:

quote:

I found that there was some delay with the BPM timing on the DJM800 to Live with my M-Audio FW410. I did some reading and found that if adjusted the MIDI Sync delay to -30ms, it seemed to clear up the timing issues. Your device may have a different amount of lag or latency so experiment and figure out what works best for you.

Try that out and see how she works.

Where exactly is the MIDI sync delay option? I'm using Live 7, I can't find it anywhere in the MIDI settings. There is a delay option in the sound card settings but that doesn't really seem to help that much. I'm using a MIDI to USB cable with a notebook Audigy 2 (with three outputs). I've got all the outputs linked to channels on the mixer, I just want to be able to seamlessly go between CDJ's and Ableton.

Also, say I have Live set to 1 bar or say 4 bars start, should it count in beats from the 800 before it starts? That would be handy...

I have the DJM800's MIDI out running to the input on my EFX1000 and then the output of the EFX to my computer... I don't seem to be able to use the DJM800 as a MIDI controller in this setup, is that correct? Will the EFX only ever receive BPM data and transmit controls from itself? I did want to be able to assign controls on both the 800 and the EFX1000. Also, When I connect the 800 directly to the computer I can assign controls no problem... but when I turn off MIDI send (eg. hit midi stop) the mixer continues to act as a controller. Is that right? I wanted to activate and deactivate the mixer as a midi controller so I could assign all the effects buttons to effects on Ableton and effectively switch between using DJM effects and Ableton effects... Is that possible?

Finally, what do I click on to assign a knob to be the scene selector???

My main issue is getting synced to the CDJs, it'd be cool to be able to bring my laptop in to a club, even without having the full setup going and be able to play loops and melodies etc over my DJ sets...

Thanks heaps for any help!

Yes how do I adjust the MIDI sync delay? I've found that I can press the MIDI START/STOP button on my DJM-800 which will start the track in Ableton, however it is no way near on beat and just starts it when I press the button. I can 'nudge' Ableton so that the beats are locked (just about) but then it soon falls out of time again. Is this due to the latency?

Thanks for your help

I don't have it installed on this machine so I can't tell you directly right now - but it's there somewhere!

Oh, and you always want to have the MIDI feeding to Ableton (MIDI Start/Stop) - otherwise when you stop it (on the 800), Ableton is unable to do anything (once you've established external sync).

Seb - you've got a lot of questions in there ...

You can't pass MIDI from the DJM through the EFX - unfortunately the EFX is designed without a "THRU" mode even though some of them have it labeled as such on the back. If you want to use both devices for control, you'd need a multiple-input MIDI device, or two MIDI inputs.

Yes, the mixer continues to send MIDI signal - the START/STOP is for the BPM signal. The DJM700 actually addressed this problem and has two controls - one for BPM and one for signal. Either way, the Pioneer devices are always AUDIO FIRST. Regardless of what you do with them for MIDI control, if you push any audio through the device, any button pushes will result in the audio being changed.

To assign the scene selection, click the two little arrows down on the bottom right of all the scenes (or you can load up the template I provided with the download). It only appears when you're in MIDI mapping mode.

Nudging is something new to Live7 so it's kinda nice to use that version over 5 or 6.

I can't recall the accuracy of the BPM signal but yes, I did notice it wasn't a perfect scenario for signal sync. You'll need to play around with it in terms of long-term sync. The most important thing I learned was to disable auto-BPM mode on the mixer.

I'll see if I can find where to adjust the sync delay and I'll post it here.

Also, not sure if anyone else has had this magical problem.. When I cut with either the channel 3 or channel 4 fader repetitively, Ableton stops playing audio for about 10secs before it randomly cuts back in. Anyone else had a similar issue???

Thanks Pulse - So I leave MIDI START/STOP on the whole time with the 'EXT' button on (yellow).

Does the DJM-800 just measure the BPM and round it to the nearest beat and send the tempo in BPM or is it more accurate? For example with my CDJ playing a track the Ableton BPM changes between 131.00 and 132.00, which doesn't seem very accurate. If it only measures it to the nearest BPM then I can see why it is never in sync. Or does it send a signal every time there is a beat and Ableton tries to line up with those beats?

When I click the yellow play button for a track it flashes green a few times before starting, but its never in time. Sometimes it only flashes once sometimes a few times before starting. Is this it trying to start in time with the bar of the incoming signal? not sure how it would do this if this is the case?

In the Audio Preferences there's an input and output latency which can't be changed and theres something called 'driver error compensation' which can be changed. This contributes to the overall latency. Not sure if this is what you are reffering to?

Thanks

Seb - are you using 3/4 as audio or MIDI? If you're using the digital input for audio on those channels it's because of a delay in syncing the digital converters.

pptdgc - I'm not 100%, I can't recall how it measures it, it's been a while since I did it.

The reason your track doesn't start on time is you likely have the global quantization set to 1 bar instead of 1 beat or even "none". When you first START the signal, you'll see Ableton start counting 1-2-3-4 1-2-3-4 over and over (and adding each time - the counter shows up top). If you have it set to start on the bar, if you pressed the start trigger on "2", Ableton waits until it gets to the next "1" in order to start the audio, which should not only be on beat but on bar!

As for the latency compensation, I can't recall - I tried checking it out last night but without my MIDI device connected, I don't get that option on the preferences menu. Unfortunately I've packed up my interface but I'll try with the MEP or even my Novation to see if I get it.

Hmmm... I'll flick all the audio back to analogue and let you know... From memory I'm not on those channels as their coming from the sound card which is analogue.

Still not too much joy even without digital, its been happening less, but still happening. Even if the audio was on digital I don't see how it would cause Ableton to stop playing audio?

Another question... Got most of my rig up now and putting together a set But, one annoying thing I'm finding is that I can assign a knob to be the scene selector (cool) and assign the fader starts as trigger starts for the channels... but once I've selected that channel I can only view the wave forms on that channel with the scene selector. Is there anyway to navigate around the tracks (with out playing them) and view their waveforms and current play positions etc, without using my mouse, is there not a way I can assign a knob to be like a channel selector, without playing a clip? Would save me lots of grief with my mouse

Hope that kinda made sense... I'm sure I just overlooked something basic.

On that note, is there anyway to view more than one waveform at once???

There is a MIDI shortcut for it, but I think you can just use TAB or SHIFT+TAB on the keyboard for it.

Wouldn't happen to know what it is would you??

Also, something that I just noticed when the audio dies in Ableton due to me cutting the audio with the faders (still actually happening just as much with out using the digital line-ins), the hard disk overload light in Ableton turns on... Why exactly would it do this??? And more importantly is there a way to stop it?


Thanks heaps for your help

Also, now happening with all channels!

Dunno since I don't have anything here with me on vacation. Remind me next week when I'm back and I'll try to help you get it all sorted.

Hey Pulse.. The guide was really helpful and i leanrned loads of things from there. But some doubts here and there so i need help with it.

First off,my set up.

Macbook Pro running Ableton Live 6
connected to sound card (Roland Edirol Fa-66) which is connected to DJM 800 with a midi Cord.
Cdj 1000 connected to DJM 800 running channel 1 and 4 as your Tempelate.

Now,concern: When i play cdjs on channel 1 and 4,its perfectly working. When i assign things on ableton, the channel 2 and 3, the UV Level meter is gone. I am not able to use the Colour and Beat effects for those 2 channels. All i want is that i run 2 channels from cdjs(1 and 4) and channel 2 and 3 running Live but i want to use all the features of Djm 800 like the effects and Eqs.

Any solution?

Cheers
Nish.

Okay - you've got:

1 > CD
2 > Ableton AUDIO
3 > Ableton AUDIO
4 > CD

What are your MIDI controls if you have the audio returning through 2 & 3? Remember, when you use a control for MIDI it also controls the audio (since the mixer is built as an "audio first" device). If you want it for MIDI, you should give-up the audio features and not use it for that.