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@Pulse, awesome man when you get your hands on one let us know a description on what exactly the beat color effects and echo up exactly do also see if the regular echo works more like the djm 900 or more like the djm 800. Thanks for your help.
Standard question #1: Rotary option?
Standard question #2: Rack ears?
Standard question #3: Is it Babe-In-A-Box compatible?
As with anything, when Babe-In-A-Box is released, you'd expect it to be compatible with all previous hardware that came before it.
Rotary oprion? I am going to say no being that it is the same plate as the 900 which does not have the option
I can't but think that this mixer would be more complete with the dedicated beat effect filter from the DJM700 as we all love a filter but this is beneath my 2000 and I already own a 700 so I can always fire it up , great to see new kit though .how much does the 850 cost out of interest ? (UK)
@Cheeba > As with the 900, there was no demand for a rotary option (feedback from the 800) so I doubt this will be available for the 850 either. I'd imagine rack ears would certainly be compatible, I'll have to find out further. Yes, the unit is multi-BIAB compatible.
@Mark Mills > More information will become available on price soon - bare in mind, prices quoted in press releases are the manufacturers suggested retail price. They normally hit stores cheaper.
Sorry. to but in but can anyone help me i have the cdj350w package with the djm350w mixer im trying to get my i pad connected to my mixer to use as more effects as i have two cdj's hooked up at the back of the mixer the only slots available are two phono slots each side next to were my cdj's are plugged in then the other slot i have is the aux i have looked at the manual and it says to use a ipod but in my case a i pad u should use the aux but when i plug it in i get nothing ??? But when i plug my i pad into one of the phono slots via red and white and the other end of the cable into my i pad headphones slot i get sound then i can switch from cd to phono there is a slight sound diffrence i just want to know what is the correct way as i dont want o blow anything please help
@Nicola > Please post to the correct forums and we'd be happy to help.
If anyone wants to finally see the djm 850 at work check this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp7mk7F3zD0 its by Dj Antonin so its all in french there are two parts so look for the second one. I think the djm 850 is a great mixer now that I got my answers on what the beat color effects actually do. So it basically takes the four color effects and when you press the beat color button it kinda gives the color effect a rhythmic pattern that goes to the beat of the channel you are using. Example noise sounds just like it does in previous mixers when used as is but with the beat color effect engaged it gives it a rhythmic pulse sound same goes for the rest of the three color effects which is gate, filter and crush. The new echo up effect is awesome as well which is pretty much a echo effect that does a pitch change while it echo's up. So to summarize at least in my opinion this mixer has everything that is popular on the 900 nexus like the slip roll,spiral and noise but also has a couple new neat features such as the beat color effect buttons and the echo up in my opinion the only thing that the 900 has over the 850 is the x pad for instant use of the beat effects which is cool but I think the difference in price of these two mixers are about four hundred dollars so I am sure quite a few 900 owners including myself are wondering should we sell. Really for me at least if the djm 850 has a superior or the same sound card as the 900 nexus I think I would change and save some money. On a side note the space color effect I think is cool but melodic and dub echo where no good again in my opinion of course.
Also the djm 900 nexus has over the djm 850 which I do not use is the ethernet link and digital inputs. I have questions about this I am sure they have been commented before but hopefully someone could help me out. 1. Is the ethernet link just so you could link four cdjs together while only using one usb and all the cdjs could read off that one usb? Also with a laptop and using record box why would you need to use the link feature if you can connect the laptop to the usb port on top? 2. Is the digital inputs just so their won't be any loss of quality in sound? 3. Is the digital out to connect mobile devices like ipods and such? Sorry if my questions sound amateurish I still mix with a pair of cdjs 800 mk2 and djm 900 nexus no DVS just cds.
@Nvasion: The ethernet link is to allow you to use Pro Link, for the DJM-900 that means it can receive Quantize information from CDJ-2000/CDJ-900, and also to enable the Cue Link feature where you can preview a track from RekordBox to the mixer and into your headphones directly. The USB port on top is not for use with Pro Link, just for the MIDI and soundcard capabilities.
Digital inputs/outputs will preserve sound quality. As has been pointed out, the CDJ-850 does not have digital outputs. The DJM-850 is what Pioneer is pairing with those CDJs so there's no real 'need' for it to have digital inputs. A digital output is useful as since its internals are digital, it's easy enough to output a digital signal and many sound systems accept a digital signal readily (although why, why, why Pioneer do your S-DJs not have digital inputs when all your mixers have digital outputs???)
As I've said previously, People with CDJ-900s or CDJ-2000s should "naturally" go for either the DJM-900 or DJM-2000. Owners of CDJ-850s or below should be geared towards the DJM-850 or below, unless they have longer term upgrade plans. Any other combination of hardware just means you're buying into features that you simply cannot use.
@Mark90 Thanks for the feed back.
does anyone know if the 850 has the 800 style echo or the horrendous 900 broken echo effect?
http://www.djsounds.com/fr_fr/02/29/pr%C3%A9sentation-du-djm-850-par-dj-antonin-partie-1
OMG he's using CDJ2000s ... CDJ850 aren't supposed to be used instead ? Oo
The Beat Color FX are very nice. And again I'm reminded how much I yearn for post-fader Color FX.
It used to be that as you rose up the model numbers, each product was better than the one below it, now we're dominated by differing USPs. :-/
Christ stop with the comparisons, work with the mixer that you've chosen and exploit it to it's potential ,after all it's about the music and not the hard ware ,give the music a personal flavour of your own with the kit you use .
well being that so many dj;s are used to the 800 echo, it would be nice to know BEFORE you buy it if the echo in the 850 sounds as bad as the echo on the 900, this way people can decide before hand if they want to purchase it instead of finding out if a popular effect was screwed up in the mixer they buy :) plenty of dj;s so add personal flavor to their sets, but using specific effects they like, if you dont use effect, good for you, but other dj's do so why do you care if we ask if certain features are the same between mixers?
@BriChi, DJ Antonin stated the echo is same as the djm 900
He did? Where?
@BriChi Yeah I asked Dj Antonin he said it works like the Djm 900 Nexus. Damn... Well hopefully Pulse and Gavin have relaid the message concerning the echo effect on the djm 900 nexus and hopefully we will get an update on possible next firmware. From the forum which you have attached the video that shows how the echo works better when it is used simultaneously by switching to the echo effect while engaging the effect vs having the effect switched already to the echo effect then engaging the effect. A lot of people agree but hey Pulse and Gavin have pulled through many times before but it is also not in there hands its up to the engineers so well see.
thank you, missed it
Personal opinion, note that I am not hating...
I own 2 cdj 1000 mk3's and a djm 900 and hdj 1000. I am done upgrading Pio gear as it feels they are flooding the market with products every 6 months (which is not a fact but what it feels like) with products that are too close in features, and looks with one another.
The DJM 850 is nice, looks like fun, but where is the diversity? Pioneer's recent direction is like comparing a Honda Civic EX to a LX to a DX to a Si. They are all the same with minor differences. This is great for the company for attracting new customers (also very very confusing) but to current owners, just a distraction.
this too shall pass...
I agree with Untitled! In the beginning when Pioneer came out with their equipment. They asked all types of Dj's what they would like to use or do on pro equipment. Now every video has electronica music on it ( which I like that type of music) but how come they don't play and disco,80's, or even some 90's?? Just a question. Because other Dj's have to in order to make a living. So Pioneer is 'pushing' out gear that produces fancy effects that most common folks can really care less about. Back in the day I was able to be more creative with 2 turntables and a Realistic Radio Shack mixer, which I can still do a better job then some of todays Dj's. So I'm done because I can still rock the party with 2 CDJ-500's and the DJM-500 .......
Yeah I am with you on this. I know a little about business so I am not going to act like a know better than PIONEER, but from just common sense I think they would've hit it out the park if they would've just came out with the djm 900 nexus with everything it has plus the beat color effects and echo up and sell it for 1799$ That would in my opinion be a sweet spot for so many djs that would want to buy a mixer that they wouldn't have to upgrade till another 4-5 years. The problem is the 900 was dubbed as the next standard club mixer now this 850 is dubbed as the successor to the 800 which was the club standard mixer. In my opinion they should've combined them both and sell the 900 for 200 less and everyone would've been happy. Wait and a side note keep the echo the same as the djm 800)
Pulse and or Gavin if you guys speak to Davey Dave let him know about the DJM 999 email I sent him awhile back. It was a 2-4 page outline summarizing what I think the next step in mixers should go I wonder what he thought about it. I know the marketing department received the email they responded back. Just curious if he even got it or even remembers it.
I don't understand why people are having so much trouble placing the 850 in Pioneer's product line?The 800 was the club standard, period. Then it was severely left behind as more people were opting for controllers, mass storage for their music, DVS systems, laptops etc. The answer was the 900 - clearly the new club standard. Even though the 700 came out after the 800, it was aimed at smaller time, or bedroom DJs, but even that mixer now I believe, is at the end of its lifecycle. Hence the 850.
Also, if I ran a business, I'd want people to be buying my products ALL the time. I wouldn't want to make something which people buy, then don't upgrade for 5+ years. How do you make money like that? Another point is age perception. If a CDJ is the most amazing thing on the market, even after 5 years, some potential customers will actually avoid buying it merely because of its age. Something a lot more recent is always more attractive, people don't like buying into old technology. As long as the new models are good enough upgrades, it's always going to work.
I remeber in the late 80's and early 90's when I used and saw Numark mixers being used in big clubs! So what do you mean by "club standards"?? It's about talent and a Dj knowing his shit. Now a days all the younger kids want to do everything on a computer or computer base equipment and they just can't do it, the talent is horrible because they are depending on free downloads of music and software. Rane and UREI mixers designed mixers that you would buy for top dollar and you knew that this was going to be your mixer for the next 10 years. And you and your buddies would make it a challenge to learn it inside and out! Just like the Technic turntables that had the same design for 30 some years (and I still have mine) you would have to use imagination not fancy buttons and effects. And me and my Dj friends can still use old technology behind the Dj booth and you would never even know if you were dancing and hitting on chicks!!
Personally I don't have a problem with the djm 850 I just think in my opinion it would've been better for business and the consumer if they went the route I mentioned in the above post. Seeing has they are advertising the mixer to be the successor the the djm 800 not the 700 and the price range would probably be around 1599$ which is way over for most home bedroom djs. A lot of people are getting confused as which mixer to get now if they haven't purchased one to begin with, and for those who have purchased a mixer they are having some remorse it happened with the 2000 owners comparing the 900 nexus. Again I am just putting my 2cents and I do understand that you think Pioneer was trying to get the right mixer to place with the cdj 850 which I do agree. But with the price tag I think that was something they should've considered.
@Mark90 the 800 actually was not severely left behind at least not in the US. Most consumers in my opinion went with the djm 2000 or just stayed with the djm 800 in many cases. Now I am not saying that people were not going for the controllers but there where definitely more djs still waiting for a 900 to come through than just a controller. For a business you need a staple that all other companies and consumers refer to one being the djm 800. Many companies tried to come with something better but many consumers would match it up and the djm 800 would stand on top at the time and still try to buy the 800. These types of items do last 4-5 years and is good for business because just like the technique 1200s which are still being bought till this day of course with a few minor upgrades you can't go wrong with having a product that costs so much and that lasts 4-5 years. Remember that is just for Pioneers club standard mixer there is always room to make more $$$ with bedroom djs like the 350 and 400, controllers and flagship mixers djm 2000.
I am just saying I have no problem with the djm 850 I don't have one yet but it seems like it something that I would love to get. I own the 900 nexus presently and think it would've been best to just have the 900 nexus with the beat color effects and echo up and sell it for $1799. Because when you have a product that many djs who don't use pioneer products are shopping around for just a great mixer no one can argue against having a product that has that longevity just knowing regardless of cost that you are investing in a product that would last you 4-5 years. Which will grow in popularity raising sales ect...Just my opinion, I do see where some of you are coming from though as well.
Flat out, if you were asked by someone with cash in their hand what Pioneer mixer should I buy would you not say 900 or the 2K?? I know I would.
It depends on how much cash is in their hand :)
LOL I knew that was going to come, I'm glad it was from you :)
