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Will the XDJ-RX work with Virtual DJ8?

I have supported Pioneer for many years and have bought a lot of DJ gear from you.  I was just about to get the XDJ-RX as it looks amazing and has all the features I require. However, I am also a loyal customer of Virtual DJ and have used this software almost as long. I have been told that The XDJ-RX is incomatible with VDJ8 as it needs HID support to map the jogwheels. Is this true? I am very confused. I currently use the XDJ-R1 and thought I would 'upgrade'. To make matters worse, my crossfader is breaking, and I can't get a replacement part (another matter I know!).

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Is the XDJ-RX compatible/ever going to be?

I was just about to hand over £1200 to Pioneer, but this kit needs to be fully compatible to justify the money...please clarify,

 

Rob Griffiths

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The RX is not designed for HID interfacing with software - the intention and purpose of the unit is for stand-alone operation without the need for a computer. But the engineers acknowledge that users aren't going to fully give up their computers, so the RX is still MIDI compatible, but not HID compatible. So yes, it will work with VDJ, but it won't be as responsive as an HID controller (which has lower latency, better signal resolution and can support bi-directional communication for things like LED illumination or screen-drawing.)

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Is it capable of the same level of integration as my XDJ-R1 with the correct mapping? All I really need is jogwheel scratch functionality when I'm playing videos. For shorter audio sets I would use its excellent standalone functions...

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Yes, the R1 uses MIDI as well and would have similar abilities, including scratching.

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Thank you for the clarification. I will definitely purchase the XDJ-RX, it is an awesome piece of kit. Well done Pioneer :-D

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The RX cannot be considered a upgrade to the R1 as it hasn't got the HID/LED support you mentioned. Pioneer would sell LOADS of these units if it had those features. At the moment Pioneer cannot fulfil my DJing needs with one piece of kit; I would have to buy the SX and the RX :-( Not going to happen unfortunately. Am I the only DJ who wants an XDJ-R1 with a wave display?

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You don't need HID to map a controller to Virtual DJ, you need MIDI support, the XDJ-RX and the XDJ-R1 both have MIDI support and neither have HID support. If you're using an R1 just now then it won't work any different but you will have the added benefit of the more features the RX has. I agree the RX should have had HID support but it is definitely more than an R1 with a wave display. I have had both and it is definitely a major upgrade over the R1.

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I have mapped it as best I can, but I can't get the latency down on the scratching, or enable LED support. Apparently there is no bi-directional comunication like the XDJ-R1. According to people who know more than me, the RX will never be able to replicate the same connectivity as the XDJ-R1. This upsets me as its otherwise an amazing piece of kit. 

I know its designed as a standalone rekordbox player (which it does very well) but I also need to play videos and therefore use it as a competent software controller for the majority of my work.  

The other option is to give the Sx or SZ the Rekordbox/wave window instead :D

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Well if you're needing tight scratching control and video control it seems your only options are to either get another controller for video and use the RX in standalone mode or sell the RX and get another controller. Neither of which are really ideal when you've just forked out £1,200 for a unit. Unless someone around here can help get the latency down some other way.

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True; it is a shame though as the RX is a beautiful piece of kit AND superb in standalone mode. I wonder if its shortcomings (LED/bidirectional midi) can be addressed with a firmware update? Anyone from Pioneer who can advise?

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@rob > The XDJ-RX is NOT an upgrade to the XDJ-R1; they are two separate products with different intentions. The SX (and DDJ family) are controllers and require the computer; they can't perform as stand-alone like the XDJ family can. Unfortunately no firmware update will be available to update the RX to provide HID communication, nor bidirectional MIDI.

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Hmmm... then the complete controller feature is useless. I already own 2 CDJ 2000 Nexus but it's not possible to setup them in every location.

So i am personaly looking for a standalone device like the rx BUT with full bidirectional MIDI or HID support.

Even without adding HID the MIDI OUT that is actually offered is useless because the LEDs are not working as expected and the display is .... just useless.

There are different other devices out there which offer the same rate of functionallity. I thought Pioneer could do better but it looks like i am wrong.

Maybe i have to pick a different one like Numark NV instead because displays and leds are fully working.

Don't understand this descition because Poneer could rise up the number of sold devices immense by adding bidirectional MIDI support and Display access.

Anyway.... seems to be all marketing. Maybe you should understand that nobody trashes all his hard/software just to buy a new device and use a different software (recordbox) which is not practicable for the most scratch djs.

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BTW. i forgot to say - i use Serato DJ and Serato Video.

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i absolutly agree with rob, as i just bought an xdj rx, and i am really very disapointed, and tomorrow i will bring it back to the dealer because it doesn t work with virtual dj, i dont understand why pioneer wants to put us Under their mercy by using their own softwear (rekordbox), i am used with virtual dj and very comfortable with it more than 10 years ago, especially now with the new version 8 which was classified the best dj softwear for 2015, virtual dj did improve their product a lot, i like pioneer product as well, and i owned many controllers from pioneer, and i was so excited to get the new xdj rx, but not anymore, i think that time for change has come to go with another brand of controller like numark or traktor, ect,,,,,

i think that Pioneer has to change their marketing philosphy, and think out of the box in order to keep their Customer happy and satisfied, and this is not the case here, i am not going to buy a controller that cost me 1999 canadian dollars plus tax, and been limited to use what only pioneer provide as a softwear.

to whom it may concern!

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@soufiane > I have to ask...

Did you do any research before purchasing the XDJ-RX to determine its compatibility with Virtual DJ? If you are a heavy VDJ user, I would expect that you would be seeking out the best possible controller for that software. If you came to me and told me that was the case, I would suggest the DDJ-SX2 or DDJ-SZ, not the XDJ-RX.

The XDJ-RX is designed as a stand-alone unit, and is marketed for use with rekordbox either to prepare the content, to link it, or even (now) to use it as a controller for the rekordbox performance software. For DJs who are looking to ditch the computer, the XDJ-RX is a fantastic option, but it doesn't sound to me like that was your intention and thus the XDJ-RX was not the right solution for you.

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yes indeed, i did my research before i bought the xdj rx, as i was impressed with the look of this machine, unfortunately i did not determine its compatibility with virtual dj before i bought it, as i was expecting from pioneer to provide a controller that works with the most famous software like virtual dj and also according to the manual that says you may connect your computer via midi plug, you just give me the impression like you are forcing your customers to buy rekordbox which belong to pioneer and replace what they are used with, it is kind of selfishness, because if you really say that xdj rx is not my right choice, and it is a standalone unit, then why you integrate the midi option for it.

 

i did download rekordbox dj to try it with my xdj rx and still you dont have the full control, and the lights are not compatible with the rekordbox software, i mean the cue point blue light and the loop lights does not highlight, the fact also that you don't provide a free rekordbox dj version with a controller that cost 2300 Canadian dollars is not reasonable, regardless that i bought the ddj ergo 2 years ago and a LE virtual dj was included with the controller.  

 

i did contact my dealer today to see if i can replace it with ddj sx2, and he will confirm to me tomorrow if it is possible or not, it is true that i made the bad desicion by buying XDJ RX, but you have to be more specific when you come out with a new product to avoid bad surprises to your customers.

 

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@soufiane > Originally, there were no plans to incorporate rekordbox performance control, but many XDJ-RX owners asked why they were being left-out, so the engineers added support for it. No, it's not currently fully integrated, but in February an update will add additional control for the display and buttons. rekordbox DJ is not included free as previously mentioned - it was not designed as a rekordbox controller, but rather a stand-alone all-in-one unit.

There was no mystery about what product the XDJ-RX was designed to work with ... if you look at all the marketing material, there is very little mention of software control. I'm sorry it didn't suit your needs and I hope your dealer is able to accommodate you.

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thank you for your reply, finally my dealer was able to accommodate me, I change it with the DDJ SZ, and i am so happy with the result, the DDJ SZ is an amazing machine, and it meet my expectations, i am really satisfied and impressed with this product, it works very well with virtual dj and the other softwares, furthermore, i got a free serato license included with the machine :)

thank you once again for your feedback and professionalisme!

welldone pioneer, keep up the good work!

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@sofiane > Glad to hear they were able to sort that out and provide you with a better solution. I hope you enjoy your DDJ-SZ!

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Hello pulse. could you give me more information on the update coming in February? is there a link to see what features will be added? i also purchased this controller (XDJ-RX) as the salesman told me it would work with my softwares fine later to find out the MIDI funcionality is terrible.... after researching online afterwards i learnt it was designed to be standalone only. anyways i am willing to ditch my softwares and stick with rekord box DJ perfomance mode. but still functionality is terrible! ... what updates will be added to make this controller more responsive (LED's/Effects etc) in Feb?

 

Thanks

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@Levi > Sorry, I can't provide any details until the update has been released to the public.

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