i appreciate that the majority of Nexus owners probably don't use sync, i haven't really bothered with it much either but when i first got my players i tried it out and didn't think it felt particularly 'tight' and haven't really touched it since.
after installing the new firmware and saw some improvements to sync in the log, i had a bit of a play with it last night and found it still didn't work properly. two properly beatgridded tracks, that play perfectly in time when synced together for the full 7 minutes or so should not be going out of time (by a tiny fraction) when using quantised loops and quantised hotcues should it? this tiny fraction is enough to trainwreck a mix which would prevent me ever using it in its current form.
i've played using sync on traktor a couple of times and it is really tight and you can loop and hotcue all you want and it doesn't skip a beat, the nexus however feels and sounds sloppy in comparison.
master tempo was on last night, i might try a few more experiments in the next few days with it off - it could well be MT causing the glitches based on past experiences...
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Hi Phil,
Nope it's definitely not to the standard of Ableton or Traktor but i do think it's moving in the right direction. I had a little play tonight and on a couple of mixes i had to correct it manually but its getting closer to workable for me I have to confess.
I'm sure the 4 is still highlighted for me mate in reference to your other thread ;-)
it's certainly workable, however there really shouldn't be instances where it jumps a fraction out of time, seemingly at random. lets hope they correct it in the next firmware as it is good fun to use every now and then but doesn't feel tight enough as it stands.
it's easy enough to correct during A>B mixing but it trainwrecked a few mixes i did last night as i just wasn't expecting it to suddenly glitch at a crucial moment! i'm glad you're getting on better with it though.
please double check on that loop issue too - it's definitely not working for me since the new firmware.
@Phil > I'm certainly interested in what you have noted. What firmware version was this with? Was it 1.10? Have you also been using rekordbox v2.03?
Latest firmware Gavin but I noticed on both previous firmwares too. All tracks have been reanalysed in 2.03 too.
@Phil > I'll test this out and let you know of my results. Is there any further information you could provide that may help me in replicating the issue exactly as you present it? Whats your workflow?
I'll do some more tests with sync on and see if I can record it happening Gav. My files are all mp3 s playing off USB. I also have MT on.
First let me say that I have been a DJ since 1988 spinning on vinyl and I know how to mix and Beat match with my eyes closed... And YES I use my sync feature on my cdjs... Everyone acts like it's the worse thing in the world and your not a real dj if you use it... Its just another tool for us to use as a dj. And if you want to be close minded about it then that's pretty sad... IMO. With that said. I don't beat grid my music cause i find it to be too time consuming to do all that. I am always adjusting the song in the middle of a mix. (that is called mixing) It always drifts... I use the sync just to keep it close. I am a Traktor user and it's not as good as Traktor. And I didn't beat grid my music in Traktor either. For me it's not really a big deal having to adjust a tune in the mix because it keeps me connected to what im doing as a dj. So while you might see my sync buttons flashing??? Trust me when I tell you they are NOT synced up like Traktor or VDJ. While I think that if you sell and promote a product to have a certain feature. (SYNC) It should work 100% like it is said to work... But for me it's not a big deal. If they were "PERFECTLY" synced up??? It kinda looses the charm of djing.... For me anyway.
The reason I wrote what I wrote is because you opened up your questions with... "i appreciate that the majority of Nexus owners probably don't use sync" If you own the CDJ 2000 nexus players??? Just own up to using the feature... Don't worry, I wont look down on you. :) And if someone wants to talk smack to you or about you cause you use the "Sync" feature??? Screw them!!!
I don't use it pete and I don't think a lot of nexus owners use it too based on experience I don't use hot cues, memory cues, search function or some other features but I always try and put a new firmware or RB update through its paces... I'm not looking for a sync debate, each to their own, I just think the feature could work a bit better!
I agree we dont want to get into a sync debate. And I agree that if Pioneer says that the CDJ does this and that?? Then it should do everything they say it is supposed to do 100%.
Hi all, sync is a great tool and was one the reasons I upgraded from the original 2000's that and the master tempo upgrade. Anyway whether you use it or not its totally unfair to expect it to work without properly beat gridding the tracks first in RB. I've not tested much but I do feel it seems much better with 1.10 and 2.0.3 so at the moment I'm positive about it. Gavin great stuff wanting to help identify issues if they are still present.
Depends on the track for me and how accurate Reckordbox has ''Beatgrided'' them.
If i buy a track from Trackitdown, Beatport ect... Seems fine play a Vinyl rip and forget about it. Might aswell turn Auto Sync off.
I don't know of any software that can 100% track the drifting bpm of a vinyl rip. in fact rekordbox's dynamic algorithm is actually pretty good.
After further tests, I have a feeling that some of the beat sync issues are down to incorrectly set beat grids. Setting the beat grid in rekordbox is just a bit too difficult at present, there isn't the resolution in the waveform to get in close enough in my opinion.
It can if it has a solid bpm timing, which unfortunately most 80s electronic music doesn't. I think every track I have from the 80s would need it's timing fixing in ableton before it would be able to be beat gridded well enough to use with a sync function.
There's no dj software out there that I know of that can track and compensate for these timing issues at the moment. It's just the way it is I'm afraid.
As long as the beat grid is accurate it is great
Even with ableton you need to spend a good amount of time warping on older tracks