32% pitch range

@ Pulse

Yeah, I know.  Thanks.  That's what I sometimes do.

I'm actually trying to figure out a way to suggest adding another pitch range between 16% and 100%/Wide that conforms to the current capabilities of the pitch fader on Pioneer players and the available LEDs.  I would prefer 50% range added or better pitch resolution in Wide, but the LED limitations on something like the CDJ-900 and the resolution of both the physical fader and the ADC for the fader makes a useful 50% not practical.  Seems like there's nothing preventing the implementation of a 32% range with 0.1 increments, though.  Both the fader and its ADC are capable of it, and the 6+10+16=32.  I don't think that would freak anyone out.  100%/Wide is pretty useless for mixing right now with 0.5% increments.  Seems like mostly something used for scratch situations.  In an emergency I'll use Wide, but it's a hassle.

@Reticuli, agreed need the 32%

@ Pulse

if Deck A=-16% and Deck B = +16%

thats is not the same as

Deck A = 0%

Deck B = +32% 

right? or am I missing logic here?

Why make it so complex. Pitch range should be configurable. +/-16% if I want. +/- 32% if I want. Or even 100%. I for instance would like a +/- 4% pitch range setting. Make it arbitrary.

@TJ ALT > 

Deck A: 100.00BPM + 16% = 116BPM
Deck B: 134.56BPM - 16% = 116BPM

Above 100BPM, +16% on one deck and -16% on the other will always be a difference greater than 32%.

@Frederique > That can't be done on the hardware, sorry.

I would rather Love And want 4% pitch!! It would be lovly and also easier and faster to get the decimals correct!
Even 2%-pitch would be wonderful!

Or... sync. Hella more accurate than 2% could be.

@PULSE,

Deck A: 100.00BPM + 16% = 116BPM
Deck B: 134.56BPM - 16% = 116BPM

is not the same vibe as

Deck A: 100.00BPM + 32% = 132BPM
Deck B: 132.00BPM - 0%    = 132BPM

difference is I want to change the tempo of only 1 song...

So... put it in wide range.

Really.

yes off course,

the wide range is where this issue started, because now on my DDJ-RX i have an enormous tempo range slider, only to use a tiny bit, which is horrible do to some adjustments... 

don't really understand why you are arguing about this? it's a feature suggestion...

@ NIghtlife and Frederique -  Sorry, you seem to be missing the whole point of this thread.  I am not saying Pioneer should be making possible every pitch range conceivable or claiming their pitch ranges are mindlessly arbitrary.  For one, because some of their players have fixed LED information for showing which range you are in.  I don't understand why anyone is now talking about 4% pitch range.  You already get increments of 0.02 or better (NXS2 is now better) at 6% range, which is sufficiently tight to ride a mix for whole songs at a time without any adjustments needed.   Even lower ranges than 6% would not address any substantial function limitation and is not something that could be implemented easily or seemlessly on all their non-legacy players.

@Pulse   - Wide currently has poor pitch resolution at only 0.5 increments on Pioneer players from the original CDJ-2000 and CDJ-900 on.  Not particularly useful for mixing.  The CDJ-1000mk3 had increments of 0.1 on Wide with Red Book audio CDs, but for whatever reason there are now hardware limitations on the pitch resolution on Wide.  So, from a software solution standpoint, with a new 32% range added with 0.1 increments, one could not only pitch immediately on one deck within that +-32% range, but pitch one deck in one direction and the other in the opposite to get a difference of up to 64%.  The pitch faders Pioneer uses and the ADC converters for these faders are capable of this pitch resolution at this range.  So this seems like a practical and achievable solution to an actual limitation in useful mixing/blending pitch resolution on Wide.

https://forums.pioneerdj.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/115009505486/comments/115004166086

"At a wide range of 100%, a 0.1% resolution would mean 200 unique points on a 60mm fader (eg. on some of the DDJs), each point would measure only 0.3mm. Sorry, but it's not just technically difficult and expensive to have a fader with that fine of a resolution, but impractical.

Pulse  June 12, 2017 12:49"

Actually, it would be 1000 unique points per direction or 2000 for the entire fader, which is already easily possible on even a 10bit fader of that length, let alone a 14bit fader, as demonstrated on the CDJ-1000mk3 and the Hanpin DJ media players.

Here we can compare the number of increments per direction for the various ranges.  The number of increments for the entire fader would be 2 times these.

I challenge you to move your fader 0.3mm to get a single step change at that resolution.

A third of a mm? That's actually easy.  At 1000 increments per 50mm (zero center to either end of 100mm fader) is when you get unquestionable analog-like resolution, which is what you see on the CDJ-1000mk3 on Wide with a Red Book commercial CD and the Hanpin media players at 100% range.  At that resolution it's very touchy, but that's a detection difference of 0.05mm.  It's still usable, surprisingly, but, yeah, touchy.  At worst, your effective pitch resolution as it randomly settles on a value is perhaps double those increments, or 10 increments per mm instead of 20.

320 increments per 50mm is a difference of just over 0.15mm, and while it's possible to still slightly nudge the fader and not get a registering of a different increment, it's still pretty good, which is why I'm recommending the 32% range as an alternative to 0.1 increments on Wide.  Again, this is the current resolution of 16% on the CDJs with increments of 0.05%. 

While the Hanpins from Reloop and American Audio do 0.05% increments at 16%, I believe the Stanton and Omnitronic are stuck at increments of 0.1% at that range, and that equates to increment length of about 0.3mm, which feels very crude.  You can nudge the fader a perceptible amount and have to look to make sure it did anything on the pitch display... definitely not analog-like.

Intriguing idea.
I guess the only way to please everyone would be to allow a user defined pitch setting, which with current software - maybe do-able, but with hardware, I feel it's either another knob to go weird or get knocked to disastrous effect, or a deep menu setting which once you're mixing, you'd likely never touch...
IDK - If I'm going further than 10% pitch then I'm murdering stuff anyway, so wide or sync  is fine. lols.

Having a button to hand to change without faff is good. 6/10/16/W works for me.

So you wouldn't use it.  Whoop-dido.  One more tap to do between 16% to get the mostly-uselessly-crude Wide.  It doesn't need to be a hidden feature in the options, require different faders, more buttons, a knob, more LEDs, or a different LED screen, even on an old CDJ-900.