4 channel XDJ-RX wishlist? XDJ-RZ?

Screen needed for menu options and effects (useable on external inputs) 

screen can be dimmed too.

Oh and you've just described a non-modular nexus set-up for the price of one nexus deck. Can't see your wish being granted. 

@Barn_uk it could be priced higher? The XDJ-RX is already great value.

@James B. 

True. It's interesting to see where they'll take the XDJ-RX series. 

1. Screen is absolutely not needed for 'menu options' or cheap sounding effects when DJing in the 'old/analog' way - you just don't use it so why would you want it glare in your eyes?

2. Dimmed doesn't equal turned off. 

3. Freedom of choice is the most powerful characteristic in the free market. It is very easy to do for Pioneer to implement 'screen off' function. If there is something that is not needed for you it doesn't mean other people don't need it. I'm sorry but I just can't get my head around 'making things less usable then more usable' in the name 'just because you say so'. 

4. I have described what I have described. It really strikes me how you can think that way? Instead of motivating a company to make better products so you could benefit from it you....excuse them. It absolutely puzzles me.

5. 'DJM/CDJ' is 'club standard' for a reason. Clubs will never adopt controllers as....club gear is modular and so reliable - if something goes wrong (and rarely does as Pio's club gear is so reliable and well made) it can be quickly amended, on the fly. When 4 channel xdi-rx (xdi-rz?) would go wrong during a gig....it's pretty much it. Also DJM/CDJ club setup is expensive at over $6000 for a set but...they get changed every 5 years or so. So even if it seems to a bedroom DJ it is a lot of money....for the club it is nothing (like $1000 a year) and what they get is renowned and reliable setup all DJs around the world recognize, demand and expect to be in the club.

6. If Pioneer created 4 channel XDJ-RX with all the other improvements I have mentioned in my post they would......rule the bedrooms. Even at a price level between $2000-$2500 for one controller like that. Why? Very very simple....think about it. A lot of bedroom DJs cannot afford Pio's club setup at over $6000 so they go for controllers. But, for a controller you need a strong laptop so for example they always go for MacBook Pro - as we know they are expensive. You're looking at $1500-$2000 minimum just for a laptop!!!! Then they go on and get something like a $500-$1000 controller (for Traktor: S5 or Serato: Pio's own DDJ-SX2). What is the final result? They end up spending around $2500 for it and still don't get a taste of rekordbox enabled Pio's club setup (and when they show up at the club they shit their pants).
With 4 channel XDJ-RX one would spend similar money but ends up with standalone unit that learning curve between this and Pioneer's club setup is extremely small or inexistent. In this situation few people would be interested in laptop+traktor/serato controller setup and Pioneer would intercept so much of profit from these companies. Is it really so hard to understand? Pioneer happy with ruling DJ Booth with club setup BUT ALSO ruling bedroom DJing with 4 channel XDJ-RX - it would make so much money. DJs happy because they lose the laptop in favor of all-in-one 4 channel XDJ-RX for the same kind of money AND at the same time they are greatly prepared to DJ on Pioneer's club setup at the club. Just tell me this is not a valid reasoning???

so....Pioneer wake up and blow Serato and Traktor away !!!! (especially now that you have introduced standalone RekordboxDJ as a fully fledged DJ software and not only 'preparation software' of old.

Can we please have Pioneer comment on all this???

It has been 14 months since XDJ-RX has been introduced. I am really inclined to buy it new but I will go mad when they introduce its successor or bigger 4 channel version soon (since it has been so long since the introduction of XDJ-RX) and I will be left with 2 channel and 'old' XDJ-RX.
Thanks

@Mico - You confuse me sir/madam.

You argue that club standard familiarity is what bedroom DJ's need to stop themsleves from 'shitting their pants'. You go on to say that the reason the XDJ-RX isn't good enough because of some reasons, one being the screen. I'm sorry - club standard kit has screens and 2 or four of them atop each player. Switching it off isn't an option on the CDJ's and they're actually really useful to use.

You also rule out your other option to get 'pio' ready in the bedroom - a controller, where you could arguably (with apps like caffeine etc.) close the laptop lid as these require laptops. You could also use your desktop computer which i assume you'd have if you were investing in the XDJ-RX as you'd need it to analyze your tracks in rekordbox.

Its not clear to me if you own an XDJ-RX but if you don't I'd shy away from it and buy something else. It sounds like your DJ'ing style is more traditional and that a set of old CD players (any brand) and a good old mixer with effects would do you more justice.

If you're good enough a DJ after mastering these then playing on any modern kit that assists the art will be an easy task.

I hope you find wat you want (you sure seem angry that pioneer haven't made your perfect product!)

*EDIT

(Just seen your latest comment - I see you dont have it. Perhaps shy away?)

1. I don't want to 'shy away from Pioneer'. I think they make great products and I see possibility for them to get even better! That's all.

2. You confuse yourself as....you mix everything up. Please note that the 'screen off' function I am advocating for current XDJ-RX has been written by me in the post scriptum section and not the main body!!! This, screen off option would be a God send for those who are using 'standalone mixer' functionality on the xdj-rx with two analog turntables connected and playing analog/vinyl records. You don't need the screen + it makes it less 'good feeling' about mixing on the turntables (as it creates unneccesary glare) if you know what I mean.

Of course no one would want to turn off the screen on the CDJ as....it is a deck so you have to see what you are playing. Screen on the XDJ-RX is not mounted on the deck section of it (and therefore not being two of them) but on the mixer section. Mixer section of the xdi-rx can be used in standalone (and one would like it to connect mostly only with 2 analog turntables) mode just as a pure modular mixer - do you see what I meant? You don't get 7 inch screens on mixers do you? Hence there should be and option to turn it off when you are not using it (the screen) but using the mixer to mix analog vinyl records (which yes, is harder then digital DJing). I am not even mentioning that in the original posting I also suggested 2 separate screens for 4 channel XDJ-RX (XDJ-RZ?).

3. The setup (I think you mean something like this: laptop and Pio's DDJ-SB/X/X2/R/Z right?) you say I 'ruled out' is....not a setup. You can't use a controller without a laptop! You just can't. You have to have a screen of some sort - be it on the laptop or on the controller itself - but you cannot just 'close the laptop because you have an app for that' and DJ with most controllers (as most controllers don't have screens) - it is impossible as you wouldn't know what you are doing completely so I don't understand why you are surprised I 'ruled it out'?

1. Then buy the set up that suits your need most and stop coming across so aggressive. Easy

2. No, I don't confuse myself. I'm trying to apply logic to your comment and even offer some advice (it's not easy in your case).

3. Of course it's a 'set-up'! My point was that to use a typical controller (DDJ or other) would not require a laptop if you had a computer already. You can use your desktop (non laptop PC) Which I assume you have as you'll need one to create tracks that the XDJ-RX (or your fantasy version) can read and play. So again my friend your logic is out... Both "set-ups" need a computer. So comparing them and saying you need a laptop for a controller is a moot point. 

As I said (in a friendly) way before - good luck in your search but I'm leaving this one alone now. You've proven yourself to be a bit of an irritable character and I've got no time for that. 

1. I am not aggressive in any shape or form. Please stop branding me like that and making you look and feel like you are a savior or something.

2. I think you are confusing yourself. I gave you a logic argument (screens are not mounted on mixers) and still you dismiss it (without saying why of course because you don't know what to say) - without even presenting a valid counterargument of your own. May you please do better than this?

3. Of course it isn't a setup. Controllers do not work without laptops - do you understand this? You have to buy laptop (or a computer - whatever really) to make them work (all controllers do is to imitate a real mixing gear instead of a DJ having to use the computer's/laptop).

a) First you mention laptop and caffeine. Then you say 'you can use your desktop (non laptop PC)'. Can you please make up your mind then? Even so, in this case it is not a setup because you have to have a laptop. Even after buying the laptop for a lot of money (so it maintains processing power to run Serato/Traktor) you just cannot 'close the laptop lid' and DJ. You just can't. So no, it is not a setup. You can't deny this can you?

b) If you mention a desktop....well: you will have to have a powerful one to avoid lags when DJing with Serato/Traktor. Macs are best for this but they don't cost $500. Even if you want to use a PC you have to have a strong one as Windows is less efficient OS so the processing power has to be high. It is a high expenditure gear you know. And no, I don't have a desktop + you may also want to know that you don't need a desktop or laptop at all to use xdi-rx as it will read files on the usb without any prior rekordbox preparation. Even then (!!!) it is a flawed setup as you have nothing to do with learning rekordbox ecosystem the way it works on club setup gear i.e. CDJ/DJM - you are forced to DJ with software like Serato/Traktor/Virtual DJ which are different - and therefore you will shit your pants when showing up to the club. So, my friend, my logic is not out, yours is (you have to have a strong laptop/computer to use controller + you will still have nothing to do with 'rekordboxed CDJ' ecosystem as it used in clubs all around the world. So again, computer/laptop+controller as you propose is not a (CDJ rekordbox) system. You can't deny this can you?

4. Thank you for your good luck, but....it is not a search. I posted this so that Pioneer can make an awesome unit in the future. I cannot search as the stuff I need doesn't exist yet.
I am not 'an irritable character'. It is...exactly opposite. You want an argument for this? Just look at your first reply: it consists of only negatives. I say turn off screen you say 'you need it for menu and effects'. Or you say 'don't turn it off just dim it'. I write the whole set of amazing features for the next xdj-rx and you just say 'naahh, it doesn't make sense for them to make it a better product'. I mean are you for real? How about thinking positive for a change? And then you call someone 'irritable character' after bringing only negative energy to the table? 

5. Lastly, I still can't get my head around the fact you....excuse a manufacturer in getting better instead of being enthusiastic and motivating for what I have wrote.

I'll give you an example:
Let's say it is a car forum of your fav brand e.g. bmw or whatever. Someone then posts a new topic to give bmw brand a tip on how to make their future cars faster so that bmw could steal sales from competition and enjoy higher profit because of that while bmw customers could enjoy better products then the competition offers (they would be faster). And then you just come into the discussion and go 'nahhh, it doesn't make sense. The cars would be as fast as BMW's Formula1 cars'.
I mean really? You just say it doesn't make sense for BMW to make more profit and customers enjoy better BMW cars in the future.

I cannot comprehend your way of thinking at all. At all. Unless, you are someone who works for Serato/Traktor and is only trolling this forum so that Pioneer doesn't listen and create stuff that would end Serato/Traktor? That's the only explanation. 

6. If you are going to reply to this, please use arguments! This way it will be a discussion and not an argument.
thanks

How I do things...

https://forums.pioneerdj.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/204950723-XDJ-1000-Firmware-update 

Really good post that! Congratulations. 

I hope Pioneer will respond to your wishlist accordingly. I was thinking about getting two XDJ-1000s myself but:

1. they cost $1000 each so it is $2000 for two and I would still need to get a mixer

2. Lacking in the firmware updates and the evolution (or rather lack of it) of this deck is worrying 

You are absolutely right in asking Pioneer for one more hot cue (it is screen programable now and so no physical button limitation exists), parallel waveforms/phase meter and a few other things (great new filtering system and tagging). Hope that Pioneer keeps up with this soon!!
I also hope that Pioneer understands that nexus2 is intended for club use with its price of $7000 to suit?

What I am trying to say is I hope Pioneer doesn't think this way: 'let's make nexus2 an elitistic gear (with a lot of features available only on this setup) so that everyone will buy it for bedroom and spend $7000'. No Pioneer, people will not buy gear for $7000 for home use, sorry. 

You just have to realize that nexus2 is a different market (clubs) as opposed to controllers (home/mobile DJ) and not trying to amalgamate it. If you will push people into buying $7000 gear for home you may find that....people will resort to other ways of DJing....namely controllers (serato/traktor) + laptop and you will be losing money. Once you realize you are catering for 2 different markets/receivers then you will be able to cater to them accordingly. You rule the 'club DJ booths' now. But let's be honest.....at home a lot of people are using Traktor/Serato with different controllers - just because you were late (far late!) with RekordboxDJ. If you don't recognize your mistake (and try to catch up) you may.....lose out big time. Why?
Because not only you may not be able to catch up with Serato/Traktor and become ruler of home DJing BUT you also............may lose the absolute controlling position of club DJ booths -->  some rental companies slowly stop carrying nexus setups + clubs are slowly allowing for DJs to bring their own gear (i.e. controllers) to gigs. It is all because you have neglected home DJing (introducing RekordboxDJ only a few months ago where Traktor and Serato have been there for years) and people were resorting to Serato/Traktor. Therefore now more and more bedroom DJs frown at your club gear as they didn't have a chance to practice on them at home (as it was always too expensive at $6000-$7000 for a set). So club managers are bombarded with requests 'I am playing on my own gear' or even....DJs charge more if they are made to DJ on club gear. It may (slowly but still) or may not lead to establishing a new worldwide club standard gear....namely: 'no club standard' i.e. clubs will accept and expect DJs to bring their own gear!!!!
Pioneer DJ - you are an amazing company, please don't let this happen. 

Just keep your 'club gear standard' i.e. nexus2 and emulate it's workflow for bedroom/mobile DJs with 4 channel XDJ-RX as I have desribed above + RekordboxDJ and charge $2500 for it. No one will be looking at Serato/Traktor then. Otherwise Serato/Traktor may destroy you. Your call.

And Pioneer please remember what happened to Nokia. Once an absolute giant and ruler of all mobile market. Now they don't exist. 

Just because they missed on the smartphone revolution (and they even tried to catch up - it didn't help! Customers are merciless).

May we ask Pioneer to comment on this please?

Even if it has to be: 'we don't provide such information'
Thank you

@Pulse

Nothing at all @Pioneer?

:(

Be patient... They're probably busy spending the profits from the new additions ;)

oh c'mon James

can you imagine a unit like I have described in my first post? People would kill over it :D

@Mico > While you may have a great idea for a potential future product, the fact it that Pulse, Jay and I are just simple forum moderators.  We are not part of the product planning or engineering teams.  We do not decide which products get made and which products don't.  Furthermore, if we did have knowledge of such a product, we would not legally be able to share this information with the public.  Thank your for your kind understanding.

@Mark

@Pulse

1. Thank you for your answer. It is much appreciated.

2. You're not 'just simple forum moderators'. You're forum moderators and your work is important and equally necessary.

3. It really strikes me how few companies understand the reality of free market economy. What they do is have R&D depts. which, most of the times, don't have feedback from outside of the company. So what they do is develop products hoping for the best. What is left out, is extremely important, and this is:
-reviews of the product done by professional reviewers (magazines, internet etc)
-opinions of customers using the product and having requests, great ideas and so on (most of the time it can be found on forums + to less extent, on social media)
-watching closely competition and their product developments
What I am trying to say is that there should be dedicated teams/depts. of people (preferably enthusiasts who enjoy particular industry and/therefore know a lot about it) who continuously research (and do it effectively because they are enthusiasts) the industry and monitor the above mentioned 3 groups of areas. Their findings/suggestions should be put into a report in a periodical manner and forwarded onto R&D and product planning + preferably conducting meetings of heads of depts. each time a report is produced to come to sensible conclusions. Does it make sense or am I strange?

All in all....it is a war. No guns are fired but it is a war. Between particular company and their competitors in the quest for total market take over. I just don't get it why it is not dealt with that way.....actually I think I do know. It's only because of....money and companies being thrifty in spending additional money on additional people in another dept. This is a mistake imho (hardly any multinational company can't afford pay check for a few people - people who could potentially bring them millions and turn into a monopoly) but what can I do. 

4. May I then please ask you to copy and paste my first post and send this via email to product planning team? This could help Pioneer totally!

5. Lastly, I understand that Pioneer doesn't share and info on future products. I think it is a good policy BUT to a certain extent. Why? Because I and my fellow consumers are not Pioneer. We are consumers on the other side of a barricade. So: from our perspective (in this particular case) it looks like this:
Do I buy XDJ-RX which has been on the market since Jan 2015 (!!!!) and risk that its  successor/bigger version may be introduced soon? (which would mean newly bought XDJ-RX getting old/obsolete in a moment).
It doesn't sound like a wise thing to do - from a consumer stand point. This way Pioneer pushes consumers away - into the hands of Denon and their MCX8000 for example (4 channels, DVS, new unit so it will remain new for a long time now etc.).
I personally think that the way Pioneer should do it is to set an amount of time (for example one year) after unit's introduction, at which point Pioneer would release a teaser info/video of the next unit/successor in question. The standout features that may be expected from another version - but without detailed info and without the launch date. This would at least give consumers some idea what to do and would be fair to them. 
Dropping the unit just like that and making previous units obsolete out of the blue (I refer to units bought before the the introduction of the successor and not the units that a consumer bought at the beginning of product life cycle) is not 'nice. 

Ok, I have probably written too much now. That's only because I am an enthusiast and I love Pioneer and dj gear. So I will stop now because it's not that anyone (bar you and maybe few other people) will gave a damn about it :D
Have a great day ;) 

I just came across this entry on the Dutch marketplace.
http://link.marktplaats.nl/m1264288929?utm_source=android_social&utm_content=vip&utm_medium=android_social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons

Its about an unreleased xdj-rx2 with 4 decks. The guy has 2 and 1 is for sale. So maybe its coming soon?

@Maikel > That's not a real product, it's an abysmal Photoshop hack-job.

First, if there's 4 decks, why are there only 2 load buttons showing? Second, who in their right mind would put the USB connectors on the face of this product where the cable would interfere with the operation of the display?

But the giveaway should be the "Designed by ..." tag on the bottom right.

@Pulse. Did not look at the pictures that good i guess. a little to excited for a possible 4 channel standalone setup. but you are right. shame.