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CDJ-Tour1 / DJM-Tour1 - large screens cannot browse library on PC

Hope you can help to clarify/fix below issue with CDJ-Tour1 & DJM-Tour1.

The large screens cannot browse music (waveform is ok). Under the Browse menu the large screen is showing; Link / USB / SD on CDJ ("no device" on DJM).

The source of the library is "rekordbox-1" (Windows-10 PC running version 5.6.0 of rekordbox in Export mode).

The library is too large for any USB/SD-cards, and the browsing and loading of the library from the PC on the CDJ-Tour1 is working on the small screen.

DJM-Tour1 has the same browsing problem.

Link-1 is showing OK on the PC/rekordbox. PC is on a wired LAN directly to the DJM. All firmware are updated.

Please let me know how to browse on the large screens.

Thanks!

Studio 45

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I have the same issue. Unfortunately I believe doesn't isn't possible. But I really hope I am wrong.

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"The library is too large for any USB/SD-cards" -- how big is the library? I guarantee it can be loaded on a USB device into a CDJ.

I'll have to inquire with our engineers regarding browsing a rekordbox linked collection on the large display.

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The audio library is 4T+ of FLAC songs (150k lossless audio tracks), and 2-4T of video tracks (15k HD video clips, testing H264 20Mbps MP4 with frequent key-frames) - and growing.

Please suggest how to arrange 8T+ USB using FAT32 file-system - and the expected time to update/export the library from Rekordbox when new tracks are added daily.

Thanks for looking into a meaningful usage of the large displays on the CDJs.

The best will be keeping Rekordbox on the PC maintaining the master library, and provide a user-friendly access on the CDJs to use the library on-line (otherwise the large displays are useless because we got the waveforms on the large display on the mixer).

Look forward to receive good news soon - thanks a lot in advance.

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You can actually format FAT32 partitions up to 16TB in size, just not with the built-in Windows tools. You'll need a 3rd party utility to do so. Whether the players can read that is possibly a different story, but they can't read video files anyhow so that's kind of a moot point.

I'll let you know when I hear back from the engineers re: the display.

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Okay, so here's the deal...

When you use a USB device, it's loading an export database which is a different size and format from the primary rekordbox database. That export database is loaded to the player's RAM to allow for quick searching and browsing of tracks. When using it with rekordbox in a link configuration, the database is too large to buffer to the RAM on the player in order to be browsed directly on the TOUR1 unit.

Because the player is also loading the library data over the network, it would need to have some kind of server/client established in order to handle the pushing of that data to the TOUR1 (which, due to its design, is more advanced than a regular CDJ, running an additional OS for the upper display), and the engineers are hesitant to develop that kind of service as it would possibly result in a less performance-oriented experience on both the host (computer) and the client (TOUR1).

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Thanks for your quick reply.

However I do not buy "the deal" because the server/client operation is already working on the small display on the CDJ-TOUR1 in a link configuration.

What I am missing is the same functions on the large display. No need to buffer any data differently as the network, computer and software are already working.

Hope you understand and can convince the developer that it is very meaningful to have the same functions from the small display available on the large display. The larger display provides a better overview and easier to operate (instead of feeling stupid on the small displays while the large displays are not in use).

Look forward to hear from you.

thanks a lot!

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I don't think the engineers will mind if you "buy" it or not - that was the answer they gave me, take it or leave it.

Please understand that the small display works differently than the large display, which as I already noted, runs a dedicated OS to function. Having the data from rekordbox ported to that OS is not as easy as it may seem, regardless of any existing capacity to display it on the small screen.

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Is this something the engineers would even be interested to accomplish? I'm in the same boat, i have roughly 2TB worth of music myself and growing. Coming from a DDJ-RZ and going to a TOUR setup, I almost wish I didn't get the setup. Having the 3 large screens is nice when using a USB stick but I don't have access to my entire library this way. I still have to go back to using my laptop when needing more music.. Yes I'm aware I can export everything to USB or SD cards but it just feels that a 12K setup should be able to accomplish this. If the engineers would be willing to try anything I would be more then willing to be a beta tester. LMK thanks.

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If I recall from the planning / development process, the feeling was the majority of DJs using the TOUR1 would be playing from USBs, and for any who wanted to link rekordbox, the laptop display would be used for that purpose, so they could save the resources and cost of developing those features. I understand that they are premium players, but it could well be that had they included this feature they would have been even more expensive (this is purely speculation on my part).

I'm not sure if they would consider creating this functionality at this point, but the request and feedback has been delivered, so it's in their hands.

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Thanks for the feedback, and for passing on the request to the great development team.

Understand it is between a bug fix and a feature request. Had I known the link feature was not supported, I would instead had invested in the normal CDJs (and not the premium  TOUR1 version).

My set-up is without a laptop, so the only interface is the large screen (using a powerful and redundant PC running rekordbox away from the desks).

I am also willing to be a beta-tester, and hope development/support for the TOUR1 line is still prioritized by Pioneer DJ.

Thanks in advance!

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Thanks again for the feedback on it - the information was passed from the engineers to the planning team, so it would be a decision on their end as to whether they deem it's worth investing to develop this functionality. If there are an opportunities for beta testing firmware (which is seldom), we'll let users know in a post. Cheers!

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I have tried to export a playlist on an USB SSD. The playlist has been reduced to 3.6T so it can fit onto one 4T SSD.

Noted that only FAT32 is supported, so I have formatted the 4T SSD using the GPT partition table (because the MBR only supports up to 2T).

However, I have problems on Windows 10 to get the 4T drive working - even is shows up correctly using the Disk Management:

My question is, how do we get 4T (or more) to be supported by the USB(s) on the CDJ(s)?

Can CDJ read multiple 2T FAT32 MBR partitions on multiple USB drives, and combine these for into one pool of tracks for search and playback?

The goal is to enable browsing of the full library using the large screen on the CDJ-Tour1 players.

We appreciate your help to get a meaningful use of the large screens. Thanks in advance!

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As previously alluded-to, a library of 150K songs is going to be slow to browse - the larger the library size, the more likely it is to overflow the players' available memory, meaning it has to read from the drive more often.

The CDJ can only read the primary partition on any connected drive. If you really want to go larger than the 2TB FAT32 ceiling, I'd recommend considering HFS+ (the Mac system), which can be read/written-to on Windows using 3rd party software.

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Thanks for your quick reply.

I now got a 4T SSD formated on a Mac as HFS+, and the drive (E:) is also recognized on the Windows 10 computer (see photo).

From Rekordbox I can also export i.e. playlist data to the drive (see photo).

But it is impossible to export the Playlist (even a small test playlist does not work):

- On the Sync Manager, nothing can be selected (I can see the Playlists but cannot select one). I do not use iTunes, so it is ok this is greyed out, but both playlist and device should work but it does not (see photo).

- On the playlist, when I click to the menu to Export Playlist it is grey (see photo).

Why can the playlists not be exported?

Look forward to hear from you, thanks in advance

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Hi, we met in person at NAMM this year. Therefore I use this old thread, even below is only related to the beginning of this post.

It was great to meet, and my takeaway was that Pioneer DJ will not solve this well known problem (to use the large displays to browse music from a large library on the PC). This is of course a disappointment for all TOUR-1 owners.

Before investing further in Pioneer DJ hardware I trust you understand that the expectations must be managed upfront. Please help!

How will the CDJ-3000s work in a set-up with a TOUR-1 mixer and DJ-link (wired LAN) to the Windows-PC (in export mode, so the audio is from the mixer) with an audio library of min. (100K tracks / 5TB FLAC)?

Can the touch screen on CDJ-3000 browse/search the library? and is there any limitations related to this functionality?

Will the large display on the Tour-1 mixer still show the waveforms etc.?

How is video-output (music videos and lyrics) supported in above set-up? Will the video and audio both be sent from the PC, and what is shown on the displays? (CDJ-3000 and Tour-1 mixer?)

Will be happy to test it with you in a pro installation (see www.studio-45.com).

Look forward to hear from you, thanks in advance.

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Currently the CDJ-3000 and TOUR1 mixer do not play well together; the waveforms do not appear on the TOUR1, but you can still navigate the collection, which is significantly improved on the CDJ-3000 over any previous models.

Nothing is changed in terms of output for either video or lyric; those are still sent from the computer and nothing appears on the displays of the player or mixer to that effect. As the hardware would all be in "control" mode for rekordbox in performance mode, you would find slightly fewer functions than in stand-alone (eg. no master waveform on the display of the connected players).

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Hi, thanks for your quick reply.

Noted about the Performance mode, it is fine.

However the Export mode is the critical one for us (from PC via DJ Link - not from USB) and the better navigation on the CDJ-3000 is great.

Based on your reply, the only real issue is the missing support of (rekordbox 6) waveforms on the TOUR1 mixer. So the important question: is there a roadmap from your development team to ensure TOUR1 mixer can get to play well with CDJ-3000?

Or shall many TOUR1 customers just accept the feeling of being ditched by Pioneer (less than 5 years after launch - and without any meaningful software upgrades during that period). Hope someone inside your organization understands what it takes to earn customer loyalty and how important it is for any successful company.

Thanks for your understanding

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The engineers are currently investigating what needs to be done, but I don't have any other information at this time. Sorry!

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Hello

Any update after 6 months?

Hope your TOUR1 mixer clients are not forgotten. Thx 

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I'm sorry, but unfortunately it seems that the ability to browse the contents of rekordbox on the large display of the TOUR1 will not be possible as it was not engineered from the start -- the intention of that display was for expanded browsing of the contents of the USB drive on the player, not to act as a sort of "external display" for a linked rekordbox collection. Sorry!

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Noted, thanks for your quick reply.

What about rekordbox 6 waveforms shown on the TOUR1 mixer?

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Still hoping they're working on that, but I don't have any information at this time. I'll send a reminder.

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