Beat Sync issue

Hi Zoltan,

I use a DDJ400, but i think the problem is not with the hardware, but with the software.

I play tech and deep house music, as well as some techno, so let's talk electronic music with very defined beats.
I have a habit of preparing my tracks "manually": I start from the grid detected by the analysis, but then, listening to the metronome, I immediately feel that it is not aligned. Then I enlarge the waveform to the maximum and intervene by moving it with the appropriate buttons. That way I'm sure the alignment is perfect and the sync works well.

This correction I have to do on about 75% of the traces because the analysis is not accurate.

It seems a very strange thing to me if you think that Rekordbox was born as a program to prepare the tracks to be played on CDJs... under this point of view Traktor was much more precise and reliable.

Hi AGdDj,

Really appreciate your reply.

Two things, I prepare my tracks manually too. Still did not have to do this with Traktor at all.

Even if you change the beatgrid then enlarging waveforms etc takes a lot of time.

Techno and tech house tracks are aligned better rather than house or disco-house and soulful house. I believe however analyzing is done great by rekordbox at the majority of the times, so that's not the deal. It is the beat when synced either automatically or mannually. It still has a tiny tiny delay (feels like the bass of a stretched song lasts a bit longer than the less-stretched song).

P.S. Does that occur in CDJs or Standalone Pioneers ?

Best,

Vasilis

I know it's a long job and requires a good deal of patience, but the results pay off...

The disco-house and soulful house tracks incorporate some "analog" components, in my opinion the small discrepancies depend on this, because an originally analog sound (for example a bass or a piano) is not composed only of the frequency given by the note, but it is composed of a series of sound waves that evolve slightly differently from the predominant frequency (they are the harmonics). This makes the sound "richer" than electronically generated.
I think this makes mixing two tracks of the kind that you use more appealing... if the tempo perceived by the rhythm base is correctly synchronized, the dance floor will appreciate it a lot even if there is a very slight delay in the bass... from the speakers these shades are perceived much less than in headphone.
Some time ago, with vinyls, it was practically impossible to synchronize 100%, but the emotions were there ;-)

I don't know if using CDJs the problem recurs, but if you export the "ready" tracks from Rekordbox, you should find them like this on the players too...

Cheers

Thanks for your detailed reply, however it still doesn't make sense.

I am aware that disco-house and soulful house tracks incorporate some "analog" components. 

They can't be working nearly perfect with Traktor, Denon, Virtual and Serato and not with Rekordbox. There is no excuse from Rekordbox's side on this. It is strange that this happens only with rekordbox. 

Anyways,

Thanks once again for your help.

it's true!

I also had to fix 5% of the grids with Traktor, but with Rekordbox it is 75%... unfortunately, there is no MIDI mapping that satisfies me for my controller with Traktor.
I also think it needs to be resolved, but I have serious doubts about it.
Now programmers are busy inserting new functions (which don't work) instead of making what already exists absolutely reliable.
This is the main reason why, even though I could use it, I haven't upgraded to version 6.xxx which is heavier for the computer without giving me anything more than what I really need.

I wish you good rhythm.