Roadmap toraiz sp16 firmware 1.5 to 1.8 ?

So far as I know, there were no promises for anything above 1.4 - Pioneer are being sensible doing this. You can try and promise too much in response to customer requests and leave them feeling let down when time and budget and initial design limitations get in the way of trying to please everyone.

Of course, improving/refining some functionality issues could finesse this beast. Let's see what they decide to give us!

If they do not TORAIZ is a dead product (I mean if they stop at 1.4 and don't going further) regarding MPC Live and X to me... At the opposite if they plan refinements and new things that's change the game and keep the sales on the TORAIZ for years...

I wouldn't jump on the MPCs just yet.

They haven't even been released and it's just guesswork as to what they're actually like.

Akais track record has been shocking of recent years and let's not forget the 1000 and 2500 were only so popular due it JJOS support and not Akai themselves.

Having said that I'm interested to see what they're actually like but I like the fact the SP-16 and MPCs and Octatrack are different beasts.

I'm sure Pioneer will come up with a good few updates yet but as Re Generator said if they make to many promises and don't keep them people will go nuts.

It hasn't even been out a year yet and it's been well supported so far.

Your way of thinking. My point of view is different, most of company nowadays release gear unfinished (it's better than prototype stage... but it's unfinished) For example, it took a while for Pioneer to get something acceptable let's say 1.2 it's undoubtedly because people was not very satisfied or it's confirmed the unfinished state I mention... that they planned to roll 1.1 / 1.2 / 1.3 ... fast. (Aug, 2016 / mid-Nov, 2016 /  February, 2017) but I not drop the stone on them, these updates were very good but required.

it's a good gear, the sound is awesome, no doubt. And if I can deal with some limitations (for instance 32 secondes limit, I can deal with that it's annoying to prepare everything for not exceeding that limit to not get the annoying popup warning, but I can deal with that)

But to me the most important is to be able to mixing (EQ) and have at least FX1 and not only FX1... (EQ + FX1 or FX1 + a new FX2) I don't want to mixing and editing on a computer. Editing is ok (I can deal with that other limit because there's practically no editing functions on the TORAIZ btw) because no matter what I will have to deal with 32 seconds limit so I can edit at the same time... But we need to be able to EQ and Effect on each track.

We are not talking about a 990,00 euros gear it's 1599,00 euros... it's an expensive piece of gear. A good one but to me its futur lies in the next firmware update roadmap at least 1.5 and 1.6

Also, I remember perfectly when they announce it on Sound Event like Namm, Messe, Superbooth or something, can't remember the youtube link but the prototype have way more effects on the page and the TORAIZ was released with 4 effects so... 

as 1599,00 euro is an investment on long term I would like Pioneer to make the same.

Period. But I can understand, people are not agree with me. it's strange but I can understand.

I totally understand where you're coming from Jessie.

Don't get me wrong updates are needed and features do need to be added and an update on the roadmap is a must and I'm sure it will happen over the next few weeks

As I've said in previous posts we're all beta testers these days.

Every piece of gear I've owned over the past few years has had missing features and I've had to wait for updates the Tempest has been the most notorious for me,but I've always bought gear for what it does now and not in the future.

More FX slots and EQ is a must I'll give you that.

Luckily for me I picked mine up for £850 second hand so the investment for me isn't as bad as some

I was merely saying don't pin your hopes on a product not yet released as I'm sure the MPCs will have their own problems especially with Akais track record.

Tempest : oh man i have also that one in mind ;) ...

I was merely saying don't pin your hopes on a product not yet released as I'm sure the MPCs will have their own problems especially with Akais track record.

> oh sure I agree it will have some pro and cons... no doubt

The good old Tempest.

Now for a long time that was a struggle to justify the price tag.

Having said that it's still my favourite piece of gear and one I can get totally lost in.

Lately I've been making kicks and sampling them into the SP-16 for some seriously chunky kicks.

The two actually work very well together.

For instance (and it's from Musikmesse Frankfurt APRIL 2016) :

(Musikmesse Frankfurt 2016) :