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DDJ-400 Tempo Slider Sensitivity

Hello, I have tried the tempo settings at all the different values in rekordbox (WIDE, +6, +10, +16) but it is EXTREMELY difficult for me to get the BPM to an even value I want, 130.00 for example, because the slider is so sensitive.

It is much more difficult than other turntables I have used, including other Pioneer products. (given this is my first time mixing with rekordbox)

For example, I have a track playing at 135 and I want to bring the other track up to that BPM, but I can only get it at 134.95 or 135.16, etc. No matter how hard I try, I can't get it to 135. If I somehow can, it takes anywhere from 30sec - 1 minute.

Again, I have tried it on +6, +10, +16 and wide, and even though +6 is a bit better, it's still extremely difficult.

I would be content just using sync once I'm close, but sometimes I need to change the bpm of both tracks and I would rather not sync them together at some arbitrary BPM such as 134.91 (as per my previous example).

Is there ANY way I can fix/change this?

austener Répondu

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If deck A is already playing at 135 and you can't quite nail that exact percentage pitch on deck B, simply hit the SYNC button. It will lock the two players at EXACTLY the same pitch.

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As I stated in the post, I have been doing that, but it doesn't help when I want to adjust both tracks (say deck a is 132 and b is 137 and I want to bring them together) because then I would be syncing to 134.97 or something.

This isn't the end of the world I suppose but was just curious if there's any file or something I could edit to fix it.

austener 1 vote
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Just because you hit the sync doesn't stop the pitch slider from working.

You can simply sync to the tempo of one of the decks then move the slider closer to your desired tempo which would change the tempo of both decks.

Also consider that the difference between 134.97 and 135 isn't even worth a conversation.

LS 0 votes
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I realise that, my main point is that it takes significantly longer to get to a desired bpm using the slider (even if I was satisfied with 134.97) because the slider is so sensitive. So I'll have to go 134.45 - 136.45 - 134.89 - 136.27 continuously up and down before it even gets close. I realise this happens to some extent on CDJs as well but it's been debilitating here.

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@austener > The resolution of that shorter pitch fader on the DDJ-400 will not be as accurate as that of any CDJ in our product line, and as such, it will be harder to hit exactly the value you're wanting -- but as @LS points out, there is no conversation to be had when you're aiming for 135 and the actual deck is playing at 134.97; this is a difference of 0.022% and would never be noticed by anyone, especially with both decks in sync.

Pulse 0 votes
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when i change the tempo the key automatically changes as well, how can iprevent the key from altering when im changing the tempo?

 

Botao Zhou 0 votes
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@Boato > Press the MT (Master Tempo) button.

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I wish there was an option in Rekordbox to round the tempo to the nearest tenth (like the CDJs) rather than provide adjustability in the 100ths. I'd rather the slider go "128.1, 128.2, 128.3..." than "128.11, 128.12, 128.13..." The difference between 128 and 127.95 might be minor, but the difference between 128 and 128.09 seems like a problem.

Chris Tipton-King 0 votes
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I'm having issues with this too.

I have actually already tried to circumvent this with the suggestion to move one to the tempo I need it to be at and then syncing the other one to it... However when I uncheck sync and try to make any tempo adjustments it doesn't register until I drastically move it one way or the other. It seems to lock the tempo in place and I spend the entire song trying to figure out how to unlock it without screwing up the mix. 

Is there a way to get rid of this lock?

Shade Moriarti 0 votes
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@Chris > Sorry, the fader itself simply doesn't have the resolution accuracy for that.

@Shade > That's known as "latched" or "hardware pickup" and unfortunately no, the only way to do it is to move the hardware to the value of the software in order to then make the change.

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Thanks for the info. I had no idea that matching it with the software would do it. That will probably make things a little smoother.

Shade Moriarti 0 votes
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using the sync button is fine and all good...but sometimes the mood calls for a slight increase/decrease and this controller does not live up to the challenge. I looked through the preference and cannot find anything to help with this sudden speed change which destroys the mood. maybe a something for the engineer department to fix via reprogramming the firmware? the only thing wrong with this controller.

ronald 1 vote
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okay....found a solution (austener posted) that did the trick for me...and I am the tempo slider type of user. anyway I just click and remove wide and went from there..still i insist a workaround on the firmware to lower the +/- 6 to like a 0.1 in increments of .1 .2 .3 etc as well as the increment portion of the slider. just sayin'.

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@pulse Could we have it round to the nearest .5 or nearest whole number then? It'd just make it easier to control—ie the steps on the fader might be 128, 128.5, 129; or 128, 129, 130...

I found a sort-of workaround. Say for example, you have one song playing at 125, the next song is 150, sync is on, and you plan to raise the BPM soon after the next song starts without wildly knocking it around by accident. (By necessity, the fader range would have to be on wide because of the difference between the two values, and a slight overshoot on the fader would warp the song into oblivion). Do this:

-While song A is playing and is the master, move the tempo on song B  to slightly overshoot the tempo of song A. In this example, we would need to slow song B, so we'd move the fader in the - direction until Rekordbox displays about 120. Rekordbox will warn you that the adjustment has no effect because the tempo is overridden by the master deck (A).

-Switch over to song B. Now slowly move deck B's tempo slider back to center. Instead of flailing around trying to match the current BPM inherited from the master deck that's out of alignment with the physical location of the tempo fader, you'll "catch" the software fader as you move the slider in towards center and it catches up to the correct value.

Normally, if you started with deck B's control in the center detent, you would have to push the tempo *past* the currently playing value in order to catch up to the currently playing BPM and gain control, and then move it back to the center. There's a high risk, especially in wide range, that you'll overshoot the currently playing BPM, take control of the tempo, and temporarily drag it down instead of what you meant to do, which is raise it. By staging the control just past the right place before switching over, you can avoid that.

Not ideal, not intuitive, and takes practice to execute. A software or hardware fix would be preferable.

Chris Tipton-King 0 votes
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