[CDJ 2000nxs2] Option to turn off phase meter and BPM reader

Hi,

As I don't think this is currently possible, I'd like to put in a request for a firmware update that allows us to turn off the phase meter and the BPM reader (or at least the decimal point on the BPM reader)

My reason for wanting this option is two fold. First of all and most importantly, I really enjoy beatmatching by ear and like keeping my skills sharp, but when the exact bpm with a decimal point and a live sync bar are staring you in the face, you can't help but see them. Then you already know exactly which track needs to be sped up or slowed down. It takes the skill out of it and takes the fun out of it. I've tried putting some tape over the BPM reader which works, but you can't do this for the phase meter as you need that part of the screen in other views. Besides, we shouldn't need to resort to putting tape on units that we pay so much for.

Secondly, I find it's actually a hindrance when I'm playing sometimes. As much as I try to ignore the phase meter, there have been times I've seen it and it has looked a little bit out which has caused me to second guess myself, and actually put the track further out (this is probably because I usually don't get around to editing beatgrids in rekordbox so a lot of them are a bit out). This is a pretty easy problem to solve by just trusting your ear and ignoring the phase meter, but I would prefer to just not see it at all, and I'd imagine it wouldn't be too hard for pioneer to give us that option.

From speaking to other DJs I think there would be universal support for this option in a firmware update.

Jake Hughes 2018年01月06日 00:49

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Been saying this for years. I hate BPM counters and moving waveforms. I would also like the option to hide all that sh-- on the screen as well as disable sync in the settings. I believe this laptop stuff and Pioneer's basically expensive turnkey systems has done more to destroy the art of DJing than anything else, not to mention the tendency to cause trainwrecks when all that automation and visual assistance causes DJs to get lazy and dependent on it and then further ceases to perfectly hold their hands. While laptop/software side may have influenced that trend in the bedroom, it's Pioneer that's normalized it in the booth. FYI, all the Hanpin players and the (yes glitchy) Gemini MDJ one can disable this stuff.

Reticuli 2018年01月14日 16:56 2 票

Agree Reticuli,

Can we can get any word from Pioneer? Is it something they are or would consider including in a future firmware update? Surely this wouldn't be too difficult to give us the option to turn these features off?

Jake Hughes 2018年01月18日 03:10 0 票

Guys,

while I am understanding your request to not use the Screen I disagree with the Statement that this destroyed the way of DJing.
However this is a fundamental discussion - not just for Pioneer.

There is nothing wrong to add comfort features to products - this is called evolution.

Are all the comfort features in a car destroying the real driving? Do you need a Smartphone to make phone calls?

Where is 'real' DJing start and where does it stop? I could say using CDJ's themself is not real DJing - use a turntable (no display - no comfort features etc.). But I am not saying that.

Everybody is free to choose what equipment and what is the level of comfort to be used. From a pure marketing point of view all these comfort features in the CDJ's Pioneer and other manufacturers (btw.) opening up the market to a lot more people doing bedroom DJing who would probably not buying equipment if it would be harder to use. Or do beatmatching etc.

Don't take this personal - it is just my opinion on the evolution part - not necessarily on the definition about what is DJing. I was starting in the 80ies with just turntables and therefore I am well aware of the changes in the workflow...

The only thing I am saying is - the world is turning and moving forward. Is it always good? Probably not. Can we turn it back? I don't think so.

Happy DJing.

Frank Richter 2018年01月18日 08:39 1 票

I would disagree with this being valuable because the scenario I envision is a DJ coming in to the booth to DJ and finding that the DJ who used the decks last night disabled the display in the settings, but this DJ doesn't know how to re-enable them, and assumes they're not working, or simply can't do his set properly.

Pulse 2018年01月18日 18:36 0 票

-1

In other words, Pioneer DJ has grown its business on empowering talentless wannabees in the DJ booth and they fear anything that might potentially impact that in the slightest.

Reticuli 2018年01月18日 19:30 -1 票

I don't know about you, but I'm able to DJ without staring at the hardware all night...

Pulse 2018年01月18日 20:30 0 票

@pulse, wouldn't that be the same as any other setting/feature with the hardware? If they don't know then yea they wouldn't know and probably just ask or look it up like everything else.

Being able to turn it on or off wouldn't hurt anyone. Please consider it.

Zero. 2018年08月21日 21:52 2 票

@pulse

" I would disagree with this being valuable because the scenario I envision is a DJ coming in to the booth to DJ and finding that the DJ who used the decks last night disabled the display in the settings, but this DJ doesn't know how to re-enable them, and assumes they're not working, or simply can't do his set properly."

we're talking about "professional gears", you cannot defend your point with an argument such as "the DJ doesn't know...."

if you're a professional, you know how it works.

And as said earlier, it's a costless improvement that would't hurt anybody.

(ps: I talk like a dick but I'm actually lovely, mom said)

Jonathan (BE) 2019年07月16日 22:01 0 票

I'm glad to hear your mom doesn't think her son is a dick. 🤣

And I'll politely have to disagree with you on that statement about pro DJs knowing things... I could tell you stories for days about professional touring DJs being paid thousands of dollars who know shockingly little about the gear they use. Believe me, I've had the conversations and tried to teach plenty of them. lol

The best-case scenario would be for all those things to be stored in the "My Settings" function, but we don't have an all-encompassing settings function yet, and the phrase meter / BPM can't even be disabled at this time, so it's moot in either case... but we do have it noted for future consideration.

Pulse 2019年07月17日 15:49 0 票