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Beat Matching Display

Coming from using Serato trying to switch to Rekordbox full time I find myself missing this feature a lot. 

I didnt realise but I found that I've come to rely on it when playing in venues with terrible sound when I don't want to blast my ears in the headphones.

Its nothing to do with the grid, it's actually making that display on the audio. So grids dont have to be set properly. I've noticed that about 20% of my library the grid is wrong in rekordbox and correcting it isnt really easy, so hitting sync doesnt work a lot of the time

dean curtis

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Have you considered verifying the beat grids on the songs themselves? Perhaps they're a live drummer and require that you analyse the songs in DYNAMIC mode?

Pulse 0 票
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Well to be honest with you if I'm playing anything that isnt house music I'm constantly adjusting incorrect beat beat grids. I'm expecting that to decrease as I'm new to making to making the switch to Rekordbox.

But I'm only able to take the time to adjust beat grids when I'm at a chilled gig. When I'm djing in a super loud and busy venue mixing every one and a half minutes with hundreds of people staring at me taking videos you better believe I'm not standing there adjusting a beat grids. 

Something like Serato's Beat Matching display would be brilliant. Just one more little tool in the arsenal to help DJs have a good gig

dean curtis 0 票
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Rekordbox has *GREAT* possibilities to set your beatgrids correct.  My collection is about 4000 tracks and only 150 of them I was "not" able to set the grids right. Okay, sometimes it's a lot of work.  Normally I analyze them with the default analyse method.  That works fine for all kinds of EDM.  For those not setting correct with that, I re-analyse them in DYNAMIC mode.  That helps for the greater part of them.  POP 80's, Disco 70's, ... works pretty fine.  And then there's the rest.  Ok, sometimes that's a lot of work. But you can adjust the beatgrid completely manually.  Sometimes you need to correct it every 8 beats.  Yes, sometimes it's 20 minutes work per track (rare cases).  But, they are running SOOOOO fine afterwards.  Try FisherZ - So Long. Needed to correct every 8 beats.  Runing 100% right now.  Adjusting beatgrids is not what you are doing ON the set.  That's late evening homework, while watching television.  And oooooh yes, it's working sooooo good.

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yeah I get all that but then the other approach instead of taking 20 mins to set a beat grid on a single song occasionally, just add the beat match display and have one more feature that helps in those tricky situations.

Before attempting to switch to Rekordbox full time I've never in my life adjusted a beat grid. Don't even know how to do it in serato. In Rekordbox I've got a bunch of custom keyboard shortcuts assigned and am constantly fiddling around with this tech-y nonsense.

I dont wanna do that, most DJs wanna add the new songs, play around with playlists, go to the club and smash it up. I definitely dont wanna be using my laptop and headphones when watching TV and relaxing. 

I been a dj since before laptops came into it and this stuff is supposed to make life easier not harder.

20 mins for a beat grid LOOOOL I'm sorry but that is mental, what are you doing 

dean curtis 0 票
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I adjust beat grids in Serato all the time, and I've been using it since early days of Scratch Live. No software is perfect, but at least rekordbox offers the ability for dynamic analysis, which no other application does.

Pulse 0 票
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Dean ... it's very easy ... either you want SYNC to work correctly, then you need a perfect beatgrid.  If you don't have that, you DON'T use sync.  That's the basics of the sync functionality. It's like that in Serato, Traktor & Rekordbox.  And like Pulse is saying, it's most flexible to adjust in RB. I also come from the 80's / 90's period... There's no other solution: mix it yourself without sync (like in the good ol' days) OR set your beatgrid correct. Believe me, it's really not that lot of work (for most tracks).  And for those it is... you'd be sooooo happy if you can finally mix a track right, 100% in sync, for a track that was hardly unmixable in the good ol' days :-) 

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I think you've misunderstood. The reason I am suggesting the Beat Matching Display, is so I dont need to mess around with beat grids or sync.

Sometimes in a club where the monitors are not good, or even worse - theres no monitors, i mix fully in the headphones. However if the club is really loud or just super hard to hear whats going on for some other reason, the Beat Match display in Serato is insanely useful. You can see within a split second if your mix is out behind out ahead and you can adjust. 

If I'm playing music that isnt house having quantize and sync on is a major hinderance. It gets in the way and slows me down. I love using sync when playing house sets, but with house beat grids are 95% spot on. 

Story time - I used to play in a massive club here which was amazing. Only problem was, the sound system was 115db in the DJ booth. I have a DB reader and measured it. So because of this I wore ear plugs and kept the monitors off. I used to mix the whole night basically with no headphones and 100% full confidence that every single mix was perfectly in time, and thats because of the Beat Matching Display. 

Even if you had sync and quantise switched on the CDJs or Rekordbox theres no way you would be 100% confident because theres always the thing in the back of your mind saying 'is this beat grid correct'.

If you've not used the Beat Matching Display in Serato I encourage you to have a look at it and im sure you'll back me and say yeah RB should have this

dean curtis 0 票
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Ok, I understand what you're saying.  But I don't have that problem since my 4000 beatgrids are 100% correct :-) The 150 tracks that are not correct, have a "track title" ending with * ... it's just a matter of organising your stuff so I know for sure when I can use sync or not :-)

Visual indicators for beat matching, ... to be honest I'm not a fan of it.

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You keep saying 4000 as if thats an impressive number. I dont wanna get into a big d contest but my library is 14k, each and every song in a playlist and accounted for.

In another thread on his forum I went through 20 random songs and found that 9 of them have incorrect beat grids.

Lets do some quick math here. So I need to go though and correct 5-7 thousand beat grids if I want a visual indicator of if a mix is in time. Thats legit not gonna happen, hate to sound like the big i am, but I've actually got better things to be doing.

Theres an elegant solution ready and waiting. No beat grid adjustment needed, no sync button needed, no quantize needed. Just a quick glance at the screen to see if a mix is perfectly in time or not. It literally takes half a second in the moment of mixing. No homework required. 

Christophe doesnt like it. Thats fair. Noted. In Serato you can turn it off

Pulse, is this something pioneer is considering or would consider?

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I just don't see where settings correct beatgrids is SUCH an effort for you.  Be honest, 14K tracks is way overkill.  I recently reduced my library to only 4K. Just don't collect all, why would you do that? Knowing you can only use 300 tracks playing ALL NIGHT. 30 tracks an hour, that's one every 2 minutes. So why in the world would you make a problem of not being able to set all beatgrids correct. We're only talking about a few hours work.  

Seriously, that's really not a lot of work (it's even a once-in-a-lifetime action) per track.

I'm closing the discussion, we're on a different level :-) I see no problem in setting beatgrids right, not in effort, not in time, ... it's sooooooo damn practically :-) 

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