nightclub problem-------cdj 2000s drifting?

But thats only because I own this new mixer with voice detector.

@Dream Treez. As far as I know, nope. For me, wiht most of the track I use, you can keep the beats togehter for no more than 8 bars, then you need to use to jog wheels or the pitch to synce them together. Unless you have virtual dj(which I also use), traktor, serato itch, or any program which has sync, then I suggest you beat-match. Even with virtual dj, I have to beat-match. Like I said, everyone has a preference for mixing and I'm not saying that if you sync, you suck. Sorry that you're having problems with the 2000s.

@ Mista first of all I am sorry for being a bit ironic in previous post. I was fooling around.

I totally agree with you. You always need to make adjustments with platter in order your tracks sync perfectly together.

However I have notice a difference between firmware ver 4.04 and previous ones. 

The MT (when its on) might be a bit better than previous firmwares but still is not as solid as it is with cdj1000mk3.

Don't get me wrong I love my cdj2000s and I think is a very good player.

I never had a problem with them, so don't be sorry :)

All am saying is that there is a few things in cdj2000 to be done in order to be perfect.

When I mix with CDJs I prefer to mix with a USB stick or CDs. I dont use so much Traktor but I have a controller for it.

Well i hate to burst your bubble on the drifting i have have 17 cdj 2000 in our club stock and i have every major dj in the world playing on them and have never heard this complaint. and i have played on them myself and only way i can get the drift is if i have move the pitch fader to much but i can carry a mix for over 2 t0 3 mins no problem cause the cdjs are very accurate. these cdjs can take a beating in a club the only issues i have been having is stuck micro switches on the cue and broken jog wheel tension knobs not staying in place. other than that they are great and minor networking issues but they cant be beat so pioneer keep up the good work.

brandon, Are the dh's using the cdj's with usb drives or RB linked, Or all with serato and Traktor. If they use the cdj's to control programs like serato, they won't drift. People are complaining about the drifting when the cdj's are used as standalone players without DVS programs

some use serato most are on sd cards and usb sticks few are cds and i have used all 4 and still really never got any drifting. only when my jog wheel tension is set to light then i get a minor drift but if your a good jock you can handle it. i watched chuckie run all for cdjs linked on the 900 and having all 4 channels going and not riding the pitch at all and no drifting. this was for over a 5min stretch that this was going and no train wreck so this drifting i think is kinda odd to me. 

thats sick! Yeah, I have not personally had the problem as mentioned above, I use my decks 2-3 a weekends at 5 hour stretches each and they work great but I know a lot of people have the problem so it must be driving Pio nuts not knowing what's going on yet

I have never had any problems w/ drifting or MT on my 2000's or any problems at all, shoot, I wish I knew how to replicate these problems that you guys are having so that Im aware of these issues!! lol!! IDK, i think too many DJ's are taking advantage of these DVS "assisting" programs and this is probably where the problems arise. what ever happened with DJ'ing with your ears??

You dont get complaints from the big name DJ's because they use their USB sticks, SD cards, or CD's... as do I. Maybe thats why I have no complaints??

As for the music I mix?? 85% house (Tech, Techno, Progressive, Minimal) music and the rest, commercial top 40's... No problems ever

As far as concerned,I've never have a single problem w/my both CDJ 2000/1000Mk3 well because the way I mix whether icame from CD's,SD cards or memory sticks and all depends on the dj mixing.

Actually i notice minor drifts when i play mp3 format but if i byrn the same rrack on cd its fine.djs should always pay attention to drifting by natural instinct from the main output,i know i do

Actually i notice minor drifts when i play mp3 format but if i byrn the same rrack on cd its fine.djs should always pay attention to drifting by natural instinct from the main output,i know i do

We just have to wait for new firmware and then we will see... about the feedback!!

Drifting?? what are we driving a car here?? learn to dj first and then, well I guess some of you you really don't know how to use a high end piece of equipment..

_Pulse: "A lot of the "drifting" is subjective and overcorrection on the part of the DJ will lead to a trainwreck, but if the track is left to play, it will be just fine." _- pretty much the closest thing to some loose form of a confirmation I've read on here so far!

Reminds me of a post I made months ago on the old forum, which was along the lines of:  **In my experience** this only applies when MT is turned on, but on recording a mix CD, where I knew 2 of my tracks were perfectly in sync, I had to grit my teeth and just ride out the fact that the mix sounded like it was en route to a trainwreck.  No drifting involved, just the implied drift from a far from perfect MT.

well Manuel, If you actually read the entire thread you would have seen a user post this:::

i find that quite offensive pulse i highly doubt the skill of the dj's we book pulse we like to think we are a reputable nightclub who book djs who are well respected in the UK and europe as well as having our own skilled local resident djs and from directly talking to them if they are saying there is a problem with all their years of experience with cdj 800s, 1000s mk1, 2 and 3s they say there is a noticeable difference and a problem with the 2000s not just in our club but any other club that have decided to make the large investment in this model....

which leads to an issue with the decks, not the user. As usual people think because THEY don't have the problem, then the problem does not exist. Me personally, I have no issue with drifting but that does not mean anything, Other people could have the issue based on what they are playing from, buffering, file type, etc.... So stop blaming the user when everything works fine on the 800's, 1000's etc... but then the 2000's they notice issues right away

Cause my car used to drift while I was taking a turn, I sold it and bought a bicycle. Now, everything is perfect!!

i guess manuel doesn't know how to read threads properly or how to show a bit of respect for his fellow CDJ users...

Just wipe your tears kids because I really don't care what you all say. I just let the expert Djs critizize the product because they know more and I'm pretty sure that PIONEER USA will listen to them before they do here....

hahahaa, here's another thread that will get locked cause of this douche

yeah, probably brichi. 

what manuel doesn't of course realise is that ALL THREE of the errors that are now fixed in the new cdj2000 update were all first discovered, identified and confirmed by the users of this site, not by his imaginary 'expert djs'.

Phil909: "...ALL THREE of the errors that are now fixed in the new CDJ-2000 update were all first discovered, identified and confirmed by the users of this site..."

Hear, hear!

Pulse! Are u serious?! It's our fault that these 2000's suck and not Pioneer?! These 2000's are horrible and takes so much work to use them. That's not right at all to say that, if I'm understanding ur comment. Stop producing new mixers (without booth monitor control) and get to the bottom of these 2000's! All u reps are paid to say this crap so u know what- I paid over 30,000.00 in Pioneer over the past 15 years so I'm gonna take my complaints to the top! Please give me a email or number? Even if u don't, I'll find it! I'm tired of being run in circles!

Consumers deserve to know these problems too so stop deleting my posts! Get the equipment right and nobody would have anything negative to say!

I have to say that 4.0.5 seems to have the BPM locked much better - that's been my experience 

Not one of the three main Pioneer agents on here are paid - we do what we do because we love this industry and Pioneer products.

We raise issues with top brass all the time and report all problems and suggestions (and I'll be doing the same again in a meeting over the weekend).

i too have notice this problem on more than 2 seperate set's of cdj 2000's. for example if i have 2 tracks at 128bpm and say the % is set to 1.55 on both decks the the tracks should not move out all the way through the track!!! well they are, there not the same as mk3 1000, Pioneer have tried to improve something that is not broken switch them back to the way mk3 1000's were.

Just so you know i am useing rekord box and the master tempo is not on. Also dont try telling me the track could be slighty different bmp either, the tracks i have been playing are produced by myself made in cubase and the bpm is locked.

PLEASE CAN PIONEER ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM IF NOT LOOKS LIKE I WILL BE GOING BACK TO THE 1000'S MK3 SHAME AS THE CONCEPT OF THE 2000 ARE GOOD BUT THE SOFTWARE IS JUST NOT READY FOR THEM YET. IT'S SUCH A SHAME AS WE HAVE ALL PAID TOP ££££ FOR THEM NOT TO WORK HOW THEY SHOULD..

Look forward to hearing your response.

Ryan

Posts like this are what confuses the matter.  Do you really believe that the 2000's, with MT OFF, cannot hold their tempo?  I'm afraid this just isn't the case.  There is an issue with looping (apparently), and a big issue with MT ON.

try playing 2 of the same songs at the same % get them to phaze, then leave them playing together you will hear them drift out...

For me, I do corrections all the time in order the tracks to be in sync. A little bit on the left, a little bit on the right (the platter), here we go.

All I know is something changed in firmware version 4.04 comparing with 4.01 and previous.

Before I used to cue, count, press play and almost every time sync the tracks without adjustments.

And we are always talking about cdj2000 with different firmwares.

Do we have a consensus as to if 4.05 is significantly better than 4.01?  I'm still holding off...