Suggestions for future firmware releases

yes it does! This plus auto-loading the hot cues of course, would be significant improvements to the firmware :P

But thanks again Pioneer for the very very nice 4.10 update!

And IF "Auto Load" Hot Cue(s) cannot be implemented, can we have at least an "Auto Erase" of the already loaded Hot Cue(s) from previously played/completed song?

@ GlasEye2

Auto loading the hot cues makes the job easier, although i wish to have a "switch" for this feature.

Let's say that the "Auto Load Hot Cues" feature won't be implemented (let's just say that), and it won't be able to auto load the hot cues, why would you need an "auto erase", in which way would help?

I'm just asking, because for the moment i see that feature (Auto Erase) helpless . Maybe i am wrong.

@Marian: _ ". . .why would you need an "auto erase," in which way would help?"_

 The scenario I was thinking was say you only have one CDJ left to finish your gig after the other one mal-functioned or was broken.

So, with the new FW update, I've tested the Hot Cues (A,B, & C) on one (1) CDJ and here's what I found:

1. Once you've manually loaded the hot cues of one song it remains in the CDJ memory

2. until you load or replace it with another song's own 'cues' or 'markers.' 

3. If you, by chance (because of time pressure), _*forget *_to load this 'new' cues, and since the buttons are lit up

4. and you happened to press either A, B, or the C button, the CDJ will play the previous song that you've supposedly replaced hence, the disaster.

1. If you have 'Auto Erase' of the Hot Cues, say when the CDJ senses that there is a 3 or 5 second silence or longer  at the end of the track then, pressing the buttons A, B, or C will trigger or recall nothing

1. hence, will save you embarrassment.

 Does this make sense?

yes, makes sense, I personally hate that the hot starts stay on unless overwritten by the user, there are times where I have to second guess "did I load the hot start or not" and stare at the screen to see if it's loaded and if it's not, shit it's too late cause the track is playing already. At least if it auto loads I know they hot start is ready to go or if it auto clears after each track load, i will see they are all blank and load them manually (which is dumb). I can see having to call this stuff up back when a lot of dj's all used cd's and it was harder to save cues and pull them up, but in todays dj world with serato and Traktor leading the way, so many dj's are used to their hot starts being there on track load

@All > Submitting this idea, FYI.

@ Gavin

I hope u got the idea from my first post. It's different from what the guys were talking about in the later posts.

Please let me know if there is something u don't understand.

@Marian > Yup, broke it into two points in the submission.

Gavin, Just a dumb question, I thought the auto load was suggested a while back, This has been talked about as a feature for a while now, Is this going to be a new suggestion to them now?

my suggestions for future firmware releases

CDJ-2000 specific

- Improve the beatloop screen 

 

DJM-2000 specific

- Decrease the noise and sidechain levels slightly. (prevent them from clipping on normal audio levels)

- Display the BPM in decimals (when used with the link function)

 

@BriChi > Sorry, just to clear - I was more re-iterating the point about auto load rather than it being a first submission - I know they are well aware of it already.

@Firmwar3 > Your suggestions have been noted before, thank you.

Thanks Gavin for submitting the idea!

We ALL prefer "Auto Load" of Hot Cues.  No question about that!

In the interim, it would really be to Pioneer image and integrity to release a quick patch (Auto Erase) while they are working on the "Auto Load" functionality.  Programming wise, the Auto Erase will probably require a line of codes to implement it.

But like any other big company, the suggestions and enhancements will stay on the bulletin board or to-do list until ONE BIG WITS within the Pioneer hierarchy gives its blessings to commence work on it.

We need not just an engineer to see what 'troubles' us but an executive with a clout to say things on our(users) behalf.

Just found a better description for my request :)

Quantized auto cue

Yes Quantized Auto Cue would be nice! :)

@GlasEye2 > We've asked already about autoload of hot cues and have been told its not possible on the current hardware.

As much as we would like to think that its just a 'couple of lines of code' its just not that simple - implementing one line of code can break another so then things have to be re-written and re-tested. Its not exactly the quickest of processes.

We've asked already about autoload of hot cues and have been told its not possible on the current hardware.

Gavin, I know this came from the engineers telling you this, But I kinda find it hard to believe, I am sure there is a way to write in the code to load existing hot starts when after the track has loaded, There are decks that have been out for years by other companies that do this so it can't be a processor issue unless you guys used a really crappy slow processor. I have more of a feeling they would rather hold off till the next model to make it a "feature" of the MK2

**DISCLAIMER:  The following is total guesswork on my part, all my own views, none of Pioneers, no factual accurracy can be guaranteed**

I've been thinking about this.  I'm no programmer though I've done a bit here and there.  The fact is, after you load a track, you have to recall the hot cues.  You do this by holding down the rec/call button - so in doing this a message is sent out over the link to retrieve the track's hot cues.

Now, you'd think that to facilitate an auto load of hot cues, the CDJ's code would need to be altered so that when a track is loaded, it simply executes the process that sends out the hot cue retrieval over the link as well.

The engineers say that this cannot be achieved.  You have to assume then, that the bit of logic/code that occurs when a track is loaded, lies outside of the firmware which can be modified.  That is, the process is hard-coded within the CDJ.  That's what I think the case is.

To deliberately put off adding features like this to force customers to splurge another £XXXX on yet another set of players just doesn't cut it, in my opinion.  They might as well have not fixed MT in that case...

I think that comparison is wrong though between auto load and MT, They felt the need to HAVE to fix MT because it was known to be crap and not work as it should so in this case, they "may" have faced a lawsuit from people willing to peruse it, The auto load is just a feature request and has nothing to do with it not working as advertised. Again, The decks are awesome and this feature would just be icing on the cake for people like myself and so djs I know who won't get off sera to because of this, they drop tracks too quick and jump right to hot starts and the fact that they have to "load" them manually is a joke. I have gotten used to it and I don't jump around that fast so it would be a nice feature for me and not a must have, but other guys I know have set their style of dj'ing based on sera to and unfortunately the hot starts are the one thing keeping them away from using the decks on their own and "leave the laptop at home"

@BriChi > from my point of view, I don't know enough (yet - I'm learning objective-c / javascript) about programming to know what is and isn't possible. If the engineers say to me "it's not possible based on current hardware" I've no reason to doubt them. If there was another reason, they'd have told me. While I wish I could sit down and ask them to explain to me why not, they simply do not have the time for such trivial matters. It would be ignorant on my part to dispute otherwise.

While other companies machines may have been doing this with a while, can they do all the CDJs do? This isn't indicative of a crappier processor, just the resources being diverted elsewhere.

@Mark90 > please remember that it has always been the process to manually call up hot cues - it was never stated that it would perform otherwise. MT directly affects playback - its the difference between able to use a function and not being able to use a function. By contrast, auto load hot cues would be a nice addition, not a necessity.

Sounds good Gav, To answer the one question though of "can they do what the cdj's do", Yes and more, I am not going to mention names or models, but "the other brands" flagship player does all this, I just don't trust them, I like the reliability of Pioneer, not the other guys. They other guys deck does this AND has a VERY speedy search feature on the deck with the ability to plug in a small keyboard, all of this is possible from their deck which is a year older then the CDJ2000 which leads me more to believe that this is all a programming issue and not hardware related, Searching alone has been a joke on the decks and RB with large libraries which again, comes down to programming. IMO, the only thing the 2000 really has over them in my opinion is the RB link and the option to share 1 drive between 2 decks. The HID stuff is all nice but I personally don't use it and keep in mind the 2000's are more then double the price as the deck I am referring to

Gavin, yes, that was my point.  it's been designed as such and my response was an attempt to explain/apply logic as to why it cannot ever be changed on the current model.  The MT comparison was weak but was to demonstrate the practice, not specifically the feature in question.