I own a DDJ-RZ and I tried to make Vinyl Control Tone work.
I had a look at the FAQ yesterday. Recently, this FAQ was a copy of the DDJ-SZ one. It had some mistakes talking about the SZ instead of RZ...
It's not really a problem. The problem is that now we can read this:
"What are the differences between DDJ-SZ and DDJ-RZ?
--> The supported software differs. This unit has the layout optimized for rekordbox."
That's false! according to the same FAQ! See below:
"I use the TRAKTOR SCRATCH series. Is it possible to perform scratch play using Control CD or Control VINYL?
--> It is not possible to perform scratch play using Control CD or Control VINYL with the TRAKTOR SCRATCH series on this unit.
"I use the Serato DJ series. Is it possible to perform scratch play using Control CD or Control VINYL?
--> It is not possible to perform scratch play using Control CD or Control VINYL with the Serato DJ series on this unit."
"Even if the USB Output Level value is changed in the settings utility, the setting value is not reflected.
--> When Time code (Control Tone LINE/PHONO/CD) is selected for Mixer Audio Output, Control Tone is output only when rekordbox connection."
This means that the DDJ-RZ is not "tailed" or "dedicated" to RekordboxDJ but Locked to it!
When I bought it, this was not writed anywhere.
Today there is nothing about this in the manual, just this FAQ recently updated.
This is a shame! I don't want this controler anymore. Pioneer should consider winning user by the quality of its software, not by locking hardware.
If I'm wrong, please, tell me how to use this hardware with Control Tone and other software, I am interested in this.
Otherwise, is people are interested in a DDJ-RZ...
Philippe.
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It's not "locked" to rekordbox, it's simply not capable of operating with Traktor or Serato DJ as a DVS unit. In order to allow DVS support, Native Instruments and Serato would both need to provide support for the audio interface of the DDJ-RZ. If you were so inclined, you could likely use the DDJ-RZ with VirtualDJ and their time code.
If you wanted to use this controller with other software, why did you purchase the RZ?
I tried... but I am able to have sound coming from the RZ only with other settings than vinyl control tone in the acquisition chanel.
FAQ:
Even if the USB Output Level value is changed in the settings utility, the setting value is not reflected.
--> When Time code (Control Tone LINE/PHONO/CD) is selected for Mixer Audio Output, Control Tone is output only when rekordbox connection."
How should I understand this if the RZ is not lock with rekordbox?q
"If you wanted to use this controller with other software, why did you purchase the RZ?"
-> Because I wanted to give a try to rekordbox and rekordbox dj, because I think Pioneer is a master in hardware and is most used in club (that's why I would start to use rekordbox when I don't use my software) and... that's why, at this point, I am so disappointed.
Once again, I would really like to be wrong and be able to use Virtualdj and control vinyl in the way it should.
Thanks.
Pioneer will have DVS on Rekordbox soon.
just be patient.
@Rick > Yes, but DVS support on rekordbox doesn't mean DVS support for other software as well, that's reliant on the hardware passing the signal properly from input to USB.
@DJ Phi > There is no guarantee that VDJ will work with the DDJ-RZ and timecode, but you could certainly try.
@Pulse > as I said, I tried with VDJ... but I am not able to have the control tone coming from the RZ when control tone is selected, but when I select "Post Chanel" for exemple. Of course, in this case, I ear the sound of the control tone on the master outup :-(
According to FAQ:
"Even if the USB Output Level value is changed in the settings utility, the setting value is not reflected.
--> When Time code (Control Tone LINE/PHONO/CD) is selected for Mixer Audio Output, Control Tone is output only when rekordbox connection."
How should I understand this if the RZ is not lock with rekordbox?
Thanks for you attention.
@DJ Phi > If what you posted is correct, the DVS functionality of the RZ is not compatible with other software. That doesn't mean the RZ is "locked" to rekordbox, it simply means it's not DVS-compatible with other software, but MIDI functionality is available.
@Pulse, I can't be agree with this.
I am able to record a sound coming from the input channel of the RZ if the selector is not on Usb on the corresponding channel.
When I select Usb, no sound could be recorded. This is a RZ limitation.
So, how Rekordbox dj could get sound in this same situation if it's not a Pioneer limitation of the RZ?
I am really. .. puzzled.
When you select USB, that channel's source is the software, not the input on the line or phono. That's not a limitation, it's the design of the unit, and every other Pioneer unit with DVS support.
@Pulse:
- for input your are right. LINE/PHONO/USB selector give the corresponding signal to the channel.
- for output, the configuration says something like this: "When Control Tone is selected, select "USB" on the input selector(s) of the wanted channel on the DDJ-RZ.
Note: the entries are the signals coming from the PC and entering the DDJ - RZ, outputs are the signals coming out of the DDJ - RZ and entering the PC.
Once again, why is the signal disappearing when I select "USB" if it's not lock?
After some reserch, it is the setup that the DDJ-SZ use in serato...
@DJ Phi > The DDJ-SZ is designed for communication with Serato and unlocks the software, and if you have their DVS pack, allows timecode to be passed through from the controller to the software.
Sorry, I still don't fully understand what the problem is. You bought an RZ and are upset why it doesn't work with Virtual DJ the same way it's marketed to work with rekordbox, is that correct?
The problem is in "it's marketed to work with rekordbox".
It is said that Rekordbox dj is full plug'n play, with the same layout etc. ok.
It is also said that others software can use it with midi. ok.
It is presented as hardware mixer with 2 sound cards (with outputs and inputs). Perfect.
With all this greats point on the paper, I bought the RZ because I allways prefer to have a "backup player", in case the computer gone wrong for exemple. No matter what the software is.
It is not writed anywhere that the soundcard is not full accessible if you don't use rekordbox dj. You understand this once you try, and the FAQ confirm this some month later.
This is not respectful for the buyers.
It is like if after you bought a car, the seller said you: "Ho! to have the 4 wheels drive working you must use our fuel, otherwise you only have a 2 wheels drive car"
Pulse, thanks again for your anwsers but as I imagine you are not responsible of the Pioneer political, It may be hard/impossible to justify it. I am disappointed of this Pioneer way to do, for my first Pioneer controler/hardware.
Thanks again, this subject is close for me.
Philippe.