Since the Update v1.2 no chance to get 2 tracks in sync with XDJ 1000 MK2

Use your ears instead and then report whether there is a problem or not.  Sync and BPM counters are for wannabes.

@Ro Beard > Have you made sure your tracks were analysed in the correct mode - Dynamic mode for songs with a live drummer, Normal mode for songs with an electronic drummer (a perfectly consistent tempo)?

@Reticuli > This from a guy who, from the posts I've read, uses the latest Pioneer DJ technology instead of travelling with a band to play every song he wants the crowd to dance to.

What? You play pre-recorded music? That's for wannabes.

What? You play from CDs? That's for wannabes.

What? You play from a computer / USB drive? That's for wannabes.

Come down from that horse and recognize that tools are created to make jobs easier. Nobody builds a house with a hammer / nails, and a hand-saw. Power tools are used to get the job done quicker and easier. Yes, it's good to know how to beat match, but press the sync button and spend more time picking quality tracks, and mixing well instead.

Yeah i analysed them in normal. I only play electronic music. I asked my local Pioneer support if its possible to downgrade them to the original firmware but it is not. It worked with the original FIrmware.

Pulse, who gave us such classics as...

"There is NO good reason for operating above 0dB."

I laughed long and hard on that one.

Reticuli it is the same problem when you use your "real" dj skills... it is not possible to get both tracks more than a few seconds in synchronisation.

Ro Beard, take either two identical, known non-glitchy tracks or two same BPM long beat samples on some scratch sample CD and play them together in-phase and at the same speed.  Try it a couple times and report back on the average amount of time you seem to go before they skip out of phase.  Any media player, DJ or otherwise, should be able to simply keep time and not skip indefinitely.  If it's still skipping, then obviously there's a problem.

Ok i will try it. But shouldn't all the songs I bought have to be glitch free?

@Reticuli > I'm here for your amusement.

@Ro > Nope - there's always a chance there is garbage in the encoding which is causing a problem, but verify that your tracks are gridded properly by scanning through the song in rekordbox and checking the beat markers. If you know they're fine, export them to a USB (or connect via LAN) and play the tracks.

If you're having problems maintaining sync, it would be helpful for our engineers to know all the details regarding the status of the players; pitch range, pitch setting, MT engaged / disengaged, etc.

"but verify that your tracks are gridded properly by scanning through the song in rekordbox and checking the beat markers"

Gridding and Rekordbox analysis can't possibly have any bearing, though, if OP is not using actual Sync when testing this.  Hence to use the Mark 1 ears.

Two identical, non-glitchy tracks, stick them on a USB or do the LAN-laptop offload thing, play them both at 0 pitch in-phase.  Don't even bother with analysis beforehand.

Pioneer wouldn't be the first to have a skipping issue, but I've never noticed this on theirs except with glitchy tracks.

If there is skipping occurring on identical perfect tracks that play fine elsewhere, then next check if it's only happening on one deck or both.  After a skip, try to correct the phase alignment.  Whichever deck needed to be sped up, that's the problem one.  If it seems to randomly do it on both, then it hypothetically could be a firmware glitch rather than an issue with a particular unit.  Doesn't totally rule out a partially corrupted audio file, which is why you need to try multiple known, good tracks.

And yeah, what Pulse says about then checking on what other modes are On or Off when this happens would be the next step if it's firmware related.

"Ok i will try it. But shouldn't all the songs I bought have to be glitch free?"

What, you mean like the internet glitch cops or something preventing bad audio files from ever being downloaded or sold?  There's no way of knowing.  Don't take anything for granted.

Oh, by the way...  If the identical tracks have skips encoded in them, then they should skip the same, i.e. they will still stay in phase.  If you suspect it's in the track, scratch back and try to replicate the skip.

So i will do some test rounds on the weekend and will post my results. 

@Pulse: mostyl all tracks are fine. Just a few don't have a matching beatgrid but i have the problem with almost all of my tracks. 

@Reticuli yeah i can't take everything for granted but then almost all of my tracks are glitchy. And i can expect a good glitch free quality when i buy tracks from serious labels. When you buy a tv you also expect a device which is working without any failure. 

Have a nice weekend and thanks for your help!

So i tested some of my tracks if they are glitchy or not. And they are fine. I they would be glitchy i would have the same problems on other devices. But it works. So i can repeat what i said in my first post. I have this problems since i installed the firmware v1.2. Before i never had a problem like this! So why is it impossible to downgrade my XDJ's? This is really fucked up. I can't play a gig without any problems...

@Ro > As previously posted, if you're having problems maintaining sync, it would be helpful for our engineers to know all the details regarding the status of the players; pitch range, pitch setting, MT engaged / disengaged, etc., and yes - a video would certainly help.

Ok, on friday i have a day off. So i will post a video and my settings!

Appreciate that - thanks!

Here are my settings:

MT: off, i tried it with on but it's the same result

pitch range: +- 10 tried with other ranges with the same result

Jog Mode: VINYL same with the cdj mode

Quantize: on  1/4 Beat. tried it with 1/8, 1 with the same result

link status connected

autosync: off

play mode: single

load lock: lock

auto cue level: -60db

slip flashing: on

on air display: on

midi channel: 1

Digital out: 24bit

Firmwareversion v1.22

here is the link to the video: https://youtu.be/RtN3d4odTsQ

You can see and hear that the tracks move out of phase.

Let me know when you need more informations.

Do you see what's the problem? Or is just a failure of myself?

Just for my clarity. Are you expecting that without using the SYNC function, your tracks will keep in sync for minutes without the need to do adjustments, just because the BPM value shown in the CDJ/XDJ is the same?

Honestly - if you don't want to do adjustments - use the SYNC function. It looks like that you are expecting SYNC on and SYNC off is working the same, with the only exception in SYNC off you are moving the pitch slider until it shows up the same BPM value.

Don't get me wrong - when beatmatching without SYNC I always check and correct to make sure it stays in sync. It really depends on the tracks and the pitch adjustment if they stay in sync longer or shorter.

From your video I get what you are talking about, but I wouldn't say it is a not normal behaviour with SYNC off....

But this is just my opinion - I am a bit old fashioned and mixing mostly with tracks from the 80ies or 90ies. With these tracks you cannot rely on the BPM values throughout the entire track :-)
Maybe this is different with the tracks you are using mostly....

No not for minutes. But i ecpext that they will keep the sync for more than a minute like it was before i did the Update. Thats my problem. Before the update it worked without a high amount of adjustments. When i worked with traktor i put the bpms on the same value and i did the adjustment once and they stayed in sync. Normally it should be the same with the xdj. If not i can use the old fashioned turntables.

Ok - got your point.

@Ro > Unfortunately that video doesn't show me anything except two tracks gradually working out of alignment; to know exactly the original BPMs and pitch of each deck would certainly help. For two tracks to drift by that amount after 1 minute tells me that the difference is actually fairly small. I might even guess that the difference between one notch up or down on the slider might actually make it more noticeable in either direction. While the numbers for the BPM might show the same on each deck, it could well be that they're out by the tiniest amount (but not shown due to rounding) and thus after 1 minute, the drift is more noticeable... and this is the problem when not using sync. With SYNC engaged, the two players are able to keep a lock of the rekordbox grid, but without it, you're simply shifting the playback speed of each deck by a percentage which may never align exactly, resulting in eventual drift.

Were those the same tracks at the same pitch setting?  You only show one screen, so I can't tell from the video.

Hey Guys, i think i have the solution. I converted my tracks from .flac to. wav and now it is much better! Maybe there are some problems with the .flac codec?

 Thanks for your effort to help me with my problem.

Greetings

Interesting.  Well, their FLAC support is new and I believe only on the mk2 and the NXS2.  If FLAC is indeed the issue, AIFF is another lossless option and has tagging, though WAVs are more universally supported outside of the high end players

Yeah only the newest xdjs and nexus support flacs. And yes i only buy AIFF now, bnecause i don't like that you can't tag wav. It's annoying. I tested some track i had a lot of troubles with but it works fine. 

And that video was of identical tracks at the same speed?

Ehm no, but i tested it now with the tracks i used without problems. I had a few more Videos with identical tracks but the recording was too bad... It just showed the best what i meaned.

That's not compelling.  I don't think you've proven that FLAC decoding has problems if you used different tracks.  There could be enough other factors present that you're concluding things erroneously.  If you do the same exact video again using FLAC but show both players' setting and track titles, and then replicate it with WAV or AIFF files, then that might be convincing if we're talking about using different tracks.  If these are random errors, though, then using the same tracks should be the easiest way to show there are in fact decode glitches occurring.

Has anyone noticed that compressed files (MP3 in my experience) don't line up beats and bars exactly? The bar/beat lines move slightly left or right of the correct spot throughout the track. It's not out by much but it is visible, whereas the same file in WAV lines up perfectly. I'm talking about on rekordbox, that is before it gets to a XDJ player. I have had tracks which don't line up as MP3 but when you convert that MP3 to WAV it lines up perfectly.

Also, some MP4/3 files opened in Sound Forge do something similar when trimming and selection regions. I think there is something about compressed files which makes it hard for software to treat it like uncompressed bits in a WAV file.

So Robert's conclusions don't surprise me at all. And I think FLAC's fanbase tend to exaggerrate the perfectness of their codec.