DJM 850 - some questions...recording, quiet vinyl, etc

@stu > Congrats on the 850!

1. When using the Traktor timecode, you'll have the channel switch set to USB, but when you want to play a record, turn it to PHONO.  Simply adjust the gain for that record and away you go.

2. Within the DJM control applet you can set an unused pair of outputs for the REC OUT, then within Traktor you'll set it to record from the input source that you just configured (eg. you set CH3's outs for REC, within Traktor it will either show as 4/5 or 5/6 depending on if the first channel is labeled 0/1 or 1/2).

Ripping content at 24/96 is only useful if the source material is 24/96.  If you take a CD (at 16/44.1) and rip it to 24/96, you've just created a bunch of wasted hard drive space as the up-conversion doesn't "create' the missing information.

Hi thanks for the reply 0 but thats not what I am after really.

I know all about ripping and the quality - thats not a problem (i have written articles about ripping vinyl in the past for a few sites and so on).

The biggest problem I have is...

Why when i flip between phono and traktor does the music go so quiet, and i have to increase the gain? When I am using vinyl ass through mode on traktor, surely it should be exactly the same as the phono mode - but it is not. I have disabled the limiter, but still the sound quality and shape of the wave form that comes out of the pass through of traktor is nothing like as good as what comes out of phonp. This means I cannot use phono and traktor together on the same mix - and looking at the wave form...the sond quality is nowere near as good. Why would this be? Im passing it through traktor but without traktor doing anything to it?

Any ideas from anyone who uses traktor and phono together would be appreciated. 

if you dont, and use traktor and then vinyl pass through mode then i suggest you look at the difference in how your sound is recording from one to the other as it is quite astonishing...

stu

just to note i also dont use traktor for recording - because i want to record my vinyl bits on the mix as proper phono, and the traktor bits as digital. SO i now use the same record out method you mentioned going into another sound package which which i can see the sound quality deteriorating.

You could remap things so that you could use both the phono and Traktor at the same time, it would require a bit of juggling the configuration tho to get it to work.  I wouldn't use any "through" mode as that would require the audio going into the software and back to the mixer, creating a latency.

Thats what I am saying - I dont want to use through mode, but the sound quality between phono and normal traktor is absolutely astonishing. And my traktor files are rips of vinyl at 24 bit 96khz with a customised ripping solution (not technics - project phono with MM cart) - so the sound quality on them is as good as you can get digitally and all the levels are good. As soon as it comes through the traktor though traktor completely crushes it, meaning to mix up phono and traktor signals (which is perfectly possible) your getting a huge degredation in quality through traktor - and i have auto gain and limiter disabled...

I dont know what I am doing wrong, or if this just proves how much traktor fucks about with the sound.

I know Traktor also has some settings re: the sound quality options, but the best solution would still be to bypass the software when playing directly from vinyl.

I have come to this thread very late, but I too have just bought a digital mixer after years of analogue. Its a great upgrade but I do also have issues with quiet vinyl. One thing I have noticed is that I am unable to change the gain within traktor when using an external deck. In the previous version of Traktor 1 with an external sound card, I could adjust the gain on the software and this would allow me to control the levels when recording in traktor. This makes mixing between digital and vinyl much easier....is there any way to enable this within traktor 2?

@Jon > Are you maybe just not viewing all the mixer controls in the Traktor layout?

Hi, I can see and move all of the gain controls and the rest of the controls in the mixer setup within traktor, it just has no effect on the gain when playing vinyl through the phono input of the mixer...?! This seems odd to me; adjusting the gain within traktor was exactly how I dealt with quiet vinyl, and 'loud' digital files in the old version of traktor...??