Pulse, do you have any idea what a "Software Update" is?

Crossed the line dude.

He crossed the line when he started spewing out ignorance and lazy responses to my concerns. He shouldn't be so negative to a feature suggestion that LITERALLY is a HUGE software improvement opportunity for a feature that is only a fraction useful of what it could be.

There is NO. I repeat: NO... situation where moving forward by a random interval is the desired functionality of the Seek buttons. Having them move forward on the GRID is a huge improvement... it can still seek, but it's seeking on an interval that makes sense.

What about if the file isn't Rekordbox analysed... Are you going to wait for the unit to analyse it before you can beatjump?

Like Pulse said in another thread the rest of the Pioneer range use "Seek" as standard rather than "Beat Jump". Its an option on the XDJ-1000 but its not standard functionality. Most DJs want a button to move quickly forward through the track 'about 1/3rd of the way' or 'near the end' so they can find the point they're looking for... Not depend on a button to do it all for them. 

And it clearly stems from how CD players have ALWAYS worked, everyone knows what play/pause (triangle/two vertical lines), stop (square), seek forward (two overlapping triangles pointing right) and seek backward (two overlapping triangles pointing left) are. So why would they want to change the funcionality of something thats been an industry standard for over 20 years?

If it's not analyzed or their isn't an active grid, default to non-beat grid synced seek/jump behavior.

I understand that completley. I'm not saying that a DJ shouldn't be able to move quickly forward on a track, I'm asking why can't it be at an interval that makes sense? If you want to move "near the end", hold it down per usual... but instead of moving 4.1 beats, it moves 4 with each progression, speeds up the longer you hold it even.... or guess what, if you want non-defined interval movements, don't enable it in settings.

CD players eh? Because those are still relevant.

You are clearly not understanding my concern here. Moving forward is still the desired and expected functionality, except it's locking to intervals on the grid if a grid is available and the option is enabled in settings. It is a no-brainer.

Chris,

Having the RX, software upgradable doesn't mean that all the features can/should be added like this.

• Will the hardware handle the feature (enough CPU power, enough memory,etc....)?- Are the software changes easy to do or even possible?
  
• Will the changes have a chance to break/alter current features with side effects?
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  So we can just suggest new features but only Pioneer, like any other company decides what they implement or not.
  

I can pretty much guarantee based on my prior experience in coding (and how minimal the change is) that it would be a very simple change. Few lines of code at best to shift functionality, and a few more to add a menu option enabling it.

It seems that you presume that the seek 'jumps'  4.125 (or whatever value) beats forward or backward. So modifying the code from 4.125 to 4 is simple. OK.

But are you sure of that? I honestly think  that the search moves X seconds. And if it's the case, your feature needs more than a very simple change and needs calculation.

Did you see the RX's software code? If no, how can you guarantee that it will be simple ?

I'm a swoftware engineer in embedded systems and I can't!

Obviously I can't guarantee it, but moving forward in seconds and intervals on a grid should not be difficult to interchange.

It depends on how it was done.

I've seen softwares that were so tricky that making a small change leaded to side effects every time.

I don't know if it's the case here (I hope it's not). But, really, sometimes a feature that seems simple from a user's point of view can be more complicated for the developpers.

Option being added in settings for SEEK BEHAVIOR:    SECONDS or BEATS

The XDJ-1000 can beatjump, so reuse some of that code for the XDJ-RX. We're not completely rewriting the behavior of a core framework here.

Did you see that on the XDJ-1000, beatjump is made through buttons on the touchscreen?

Did you see that the seek buttons on XDJ-1000 .....seek.... like on any other players?

You ask to change the behavior of standard buttons (even if it's only by option).

Even if the beatjump will be a good feature, I completely understand that Pioneer doesn't want to change that.

Btw, why only beatjump 4 beats? why not 1 or 2 beats like on the XDJ-1000?And so why not proposing to use the pads, instead of using standard search buttons?

Yeah, well aware.

4 beats, 1, 2, 8, 16. All good options. Options are nice, aren't they?

Options are nice if they are well designed and implemented.

It will be really 'funny' and efficient  to go in the menu, option beatjump 1 beat, to jump 1 beat.Then go again in the menu to change to jump 8 beats.

Then go again in the menu to select the standard search.

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And of course, to be more funny and nice, without knowing at any time what is the current option!!

Set a default beat interval to circumvent the random one used now. That's the whole point. Improve where possible instead of ignoring.

@Chris > I don't expect you have kids. If you did, you'd understand the parallel I'm about to draw between our conversation and a child who has been told "no" by his parents over and over because he simply won't accept the answer and continues to ask the same question again and again.

I never said it wasn't possible to do, I said it was highly unlikely to happen on the RX. This isn't a matter of the ability for the player to perform the functions you're asking about - as we have both noted, the XDJ-1000 has a beat jump on its touchscreen where you can pick how many beats you're jumping forward and backward. The seek buttons are just that; for seeking. As @Lewis says, those iconic buttons have been on CD players since the 80's, and cassette players before that. The hardware control is standardized. Nobody presses that button expecting anything OTHER than scanning forward or backward through the track.

Advancements are being made and improvements are always welcome. The whole notion of a beat-jump came to fruition through suggestions from users like yourself, and look - it's made it into the XDJ-1000!

So once again I close another thread, and I leave you with this simple statement:

"Thank you for your suggestion."