you can turn off analyzation on import in the RB settings. but then nothing will be analyzed including BPM
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Anyway to turn OFF beat grid on cdj ?
Basically all i want rekordbox for is to analyze my files. I don't care about the beat grid etc. Is there a way to turn OFF the beat grid on the cdj or in the file ?
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Other than BriChi's suggestion, there is no way I can think of to disable the beat grid. Is there a specific reason you want it disabled? I'm asking as it could be a feature worth implementing in future updates if you feel there is a need for it.
the beat grid doesn't matter if you're not using sync
If the beatgrid is not completely aligned with the song and adjusting it still doesn't match up the kick and snare from start to finish, then i don't see the point of a beatgrid. It'd be nice to have the ability to turn it off, especially since its not accurate
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@Ty > No, but you can just ignore it -- unless you're using sync, it doesn't "do" anything to the audio.
I would like to turn it off, because there are some Dj-Software which doesn't have this feature. And I would like to be prepared for this.
@Malte > If you're using the CDJs with other software, that would be a setting within the software, nothing to do with the CDJ.
Two very-needed features in Rekordbox and Pioneer DJ equipment include some way to (a) disable the beat grid on individual tracks and (b) not show the beat grid for those tracks in the player's display. These are both very much needed for deejays who use tracks, such as old hip hop or disco tracks, that were created in analog before the digital area.
The automatic analysis done by Rekordbox is very good, and it is great that Rekordbox supports variable-BPM tracks, but it is very difficult for the analysis software to nail every beat. (This is an established research problem.) It can take hours to fine-tune the beat grids on some of these old tracks, at least if you want your auto-synced mixes to be perfect.
An obvious alternative is to not use the auto-sync, and the two proposed features would help that enormously. Disabling the beat grid on individual tracks would permit a deejay to have some tracks with perfect beat grids, and some tracks with no beat grids.
Not showing the beat grid on tracks with no beat grid would make it very clear, visually, that a track that is cued up or playing has no beat grid, and so it would be a clear indicator to not not rely on auto sync, which could even be automatically turned off when such tracks were loaded.
The current automatic track analysis essentially forces an incorrect beat grid on analog-recorded tracks. It is difficult to prevent this from happening, and I believe impossible to remove the grid once it is created. This is very problematic. A general rule of thumb in many aspects of life, and deejaying, and data science, is to keep things that are useful, and to get rid of things that are not useful. An incorrect beat grid poses two huge problems: (a) If autosync was turned on from a previous track, you now run the risk of syncing into a totally incorrect beat grid, and (b) the markers on the display create a visual distraction from the waveform (which can be minimized but, again, the goal is to easily switch between using and not using the grid); more on this in a moment.
I think that @Malte's point above about other DJ Software was simply that other software permits you to just turn off the grid altogether, and it would be useful for CDJs to do the same.
I thoroughly disagree with @Ty's suggestion to "just ignore" the beatgrid. This presents a very difficult perceptual-motor task, in which a visual delimiter is inserted into visual information, a nd in which that deli miter ty pica lly s erves one pu rpose, but y ou now ha ve to ig nore that d elimi ter to d o y our task. The extra spaces in the previous sentence provide an example that is very similar to having an incorrect beat grid superimposed on an otherwise useful waveform.
Advanced suggestions along a similar line: (a) Permit a beatgrid to appear only in subsections of songs, such as just the breaks from old tracks, and not appear on the other sections. (b) Permit manually fine-tuned beatgrids to be saved and loaded independently of music files (and thus easily backed up and saved, and shared), and (c) Improve the user interface for manually fine-tuning beatgrids.
I have been meaning to write an article on this topic for djtechtools for a couple years now, but have not found the time.
In summary: A very badly needed feature in Rekordbox is a means of (a) disabling the beat grid on entire tracks and (b) not showing or using the beat grid for those tracks.
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@AKbeat > Thanks for the feedback, and we'll certainly pass it along, however, I should address this portion directly:
"Copyright 2017 Anthony Hornof. I give Pioneer permission to use and reproduce this content in any manner, but I need to retain copyright."
Sorry, by posting here, you pretty much waive those claims, and Pioneer DJ has no obligation or contract to compensate you, or recognize you as the creator / originator of any ideas that may or may not make it into Pioneer DJ products.
I agreed with @AKbeat, "disabling the beat grid on entire tracks and (b) not showing or using the beat grid for those tracks" it´s very very important. Thanks
Turning off the Beat Grid is an essential option to have for those tracks where it isn't accurate and not needed. Ignoring is a terrible option... when you're in the flow, ignoring an inaccurate beat grid is like telling someone not to think of pink elephants.
It's there, it's wrong, it's distracting, and it seems like a basic necessity to turn it off. Especially for beginners trying to beat match by ear; at least seeing the wave form helps, but you have this extremely visual markers/grid that's completely off right on top of the wave form.
I'm surprised you still can't turn it off on a track by track basis and that it's even questioned.
As an addition to this subject, on some files I've imported - largely vocal samples - the BPM registers as 000.00 and there is no visual grid present.
If only I could replicate that behavior on the tracks I don't want to see an inaccurate grid on, it would be great; but, I can't replicate the behavior, it seems random. And each time I try to put a BPM of 0 it simply says it must be between 40-499 (although it randomly analyses some vocal samples at 0 and allows it).
And, when I turn off 'auto analysis', it makes no difference; it still throws an inaccurate beat grid above the waveform that I can get rid of.