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Loop function on the CDJ 350

When I use the autoloop function on my CDJ 350's it is not 'in time'.

I've set the grid and BPM of all my tracks in Rekordbox. But when I play two exact the same tracks on the same BPM the loop the track which is looped get offbeat very soon. How is this possible? And how can I fix this?

Erik Biemans

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@Erik > From another post on a similar topic, I wrote:

With a sample track at approximately 123BPM, a 4 beat loop is measured in audio editing software at 1950.2494331ms (86,006 samples @ 44.1k).

The CDJ-2000nexus is capable of 1ms when using a quantized loop, or 6.6666667ms (1/2 frame @ 75frames/sec) with a non-quantized loop. This means if the loop is quantized, there is a loss of 0.2494ms per loop as the accuracy of 1ms means a total length of 1950ms. If the loop is NOT quantized, the resolution is lower, resulting in loop lengths of either 1946.6667ms or 1953.3333ms, a difference of -3.58ms or +3.08ms per loop – and that’s if you manage to get the loop as close to perfect as possible doing it without the quantization. Both of these also assume your beat grid is 100% accurate as the looping, quantized or auto-loop, is based on the beat grid. If you were to loop manually, you will be even less accurate than the timings noted. After just 4 cycles of this un-quantized loop, it will be out by approximately 12ms in either direction. The quantized loop however, would be out by a mere 1ms.

But that’s only 4 beats looped 4 times; 1 phrase is a mere 7.8s. Chances are you’ll wind up looping a bit longer, especially if you’re into any electronic music – let’s assume you loop it for 4 phrases (64 beats) – that’s 31.2s. If you had used a quantized loop, you’re now out of sync by 4ms and for that unquantized loop, by about 48ms.

These numbers will vary as the length of a 4 beat loop will differ based on the tempo. Likewise, if you set a 16 beat loop, it will take 4x longer to drift. And again, all of this assumes that your two tracks are 100% in sync to start with beat grids that are bang-on.

At what point do you start hearing that the loop is no longer accurate and out of sync with another track? Somewhere around 8-10ms for a trained ear (although some DJs may notice even around 5ms), 12-15ms for most people and it would most certainly audible to everyone at 20-25ms.

...and all that was to do with the CDJ-2000nexus. You're using the CDJ-350, which, while it can read the grid from rekordbox, doesn't have 1ms accuracy or quantized looping, so you're limited to the 1-frame accuracy and will find the auto-loop will drift over time.

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Ok. So if I understand this correctly, the autoloop function on the CDJ 350 is useless for more than 4 loops? I assumed that the autoloop function would be very useful but now I see the answer it looks like I was wrong.

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No, the autoloop works just fine if you have a track that has a tempo or pitch that is perfectly divisible by 1/75th of a second (1 frame). For example, 100BPM can make a perfect loop at 0% as each beat is 0.6s -- or exactly 45 frames. 101BPM can't make a perfect loop at 0% as each beat is 0.5940s, or 44.55 frames.

And that's not to say that autoloop can't get it close enough for you to adjust by a frame one way or the other and make it work for you. I was able to make decent loops manually with 1 frame accuracy on a CDJ-500II, and yes it did occasionally require correction with the jog to bend it as it drifted, but it is still functional.

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