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Dynamic Beat Grid Editing?

Hello All,

This is my first post, and I have searched the forum and this one hasn't been asked yet (at least not that I can see).  I have used Traktor for years and just changed to Rekordbox DJ which I am loving.  I have a large collection of music with most of mine from the 70's - 90's so Dynamic Beat Gridding has been great!  Now here is my issue:

I recently came across a problem where the Dynamic Grid adjusted most of the song correctly however analyzed the first few bars with a much higher BPM than the other parts.  For the most part the song (Freez I.O.U from the 80's) has a pretty stable beat around 119.xx BPM but for the intro the Dynamic grid is around 134 which is incorrect.

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Is there a way to edit the first part of a dynamically gridded track without messing up all of the other parts? I have tried various ways but if I change the BPM for what I think is a section at the beginning of a track it updates the rest of the track as well.  I know you can lock sections to the left of the cursor and continue to change the track to the right, but what if a section on the left is incorrect and the sections to the right are correct? Is there a way to work in the other direction so that the dynamic grid on the right does not get affected? In a more general sense is there a way to see the various sections of a dynamically gridded track and edit within a section? Right now you have to manually scroll through the track to see where the BPM changes but have no clear visualization of where in the stripe those changes occur.

Any help is appreciated.  If not available yet, is this something on your roadmap?  Would be a key discriminator for us old school jocks that still play a lot of music with changing tempos...(PS there is a vast library of music with varying tempo that we don't want to "warp" or otherwise modify - just play it the way we used to, albeit with a little help from our computer friend)

Thanks!

CRSounds

 

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Hi Thanks for that but I should have clarified, I did look at anything relevant including this video by Pulse, and indeed this video speaks to a part of beat gridding I alluded to, and that is you can edit the grid on the right side, but not on the left.  

My question is related to the more general case.  If a dynamic grid has already been established and saved can you go back in and edit individual sections (to the left or right of the cursor) without changing the rest of the grid.  

My issue is that I have a dynamically changing track that for the most part has been dynamically gridded correctly, however the first part is not.  I want to fix the very first section without affecting any of the other dynamic sections.

Hope that is clear as I have yet to see an answer to that in this forum.

Thanks Again!

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@Carlton > The idea is you move from start to finish of the track, locking points as you go, meaning you only change the grid to the right of the playhead; everything else to the left is already set and locked. Unfortunately you can't edit just one section after having locked it.

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Yeah I thought so, thanks for the quick response.  You can do it manually (sort of) by adjusting each gridmark, but only if the detected BPM is relatively close to the track average.  Anymore (i.e much faster BPM) then you have extra Gridmarks and that screws it up.

Would be a great addition to visually see Tempo Changes, and be able to edit within a constant Tempo Range Group. Definite discriminator for a Digital DJ workstation program (especially for the wealth of old school tracks).  

Anyway I know I can ride the pitch control live like in old days, just figured Rekordbox DJ was getting much closer to the ideal!

Many Thanks!  I'll add this as a product improvement suggestion for Export Mode. Really love the product!!

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@Pulse ... too bad there is NO POSSIBILITY to add a keyboard shortcut for setting a beatgrid.  Imagine this scenario: if there was a way to "play the song" and every 4th beat hit a KEYBOARD KEY to set a "red" marker, this would be a greeeeeeaaat improvement.  Ok, face it, clicking on a keyboard key will probably never be 100% correct, but for those tracks (like disco, 80's) who run constantly out of tempo, it would be a great improvement for setting the beatgrids.  It would be a little like "old-skool pitching" (those were the days).  

And the problem is, you just don't know on exported tracks on USB, which has a correct beatgrid set.  If you have 10.000 tracks, it's not possible to have all tracks set with a correct beatgrid.  Some tracks (60's, twists, ...) are just not even "worth" setting the beatgrid because it's half an hour work to get it right. But if you don't set them correctly, you get very weird results if you forget to turn off beatsync.

That would also be a reason to indicate on screen (XDJ-RX) the "locked analysis".  I personally "lock" my tracks if beatgrid is set correctly.  So all that are not locked, I still have to review.  If not locked, I know that I *must* disable the sync button to prevent weird results.

You probably gonna say "you have to set the beatgrid correct".  I know, but that takes a loooooooong time.  I'm busy since december 2015 now, still 400 tracks to go :-)

You understand what I mean? Something to think about...

ceepee-in-the-mix 0 votes
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I understand what you're asking for, but I also agree with your second line:

clicking on a keyboard key will probably never be 100% correct

It won't, and that's the problem. You'll be much better off manually setting the grids.

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Agreed, however don't sell Rekordbox's Dynamic Analysis short yet either.  I can't believe how well it did for my large collection of old school dance music.  Much of that drifts either because it was recorded from vinyl or because the artists were human.  The Dynamic Analysis really impressed me!  

My only request would be to allow us more flexibility in manually editing parts of the grid, while leaving the good work that the analysis did alone.  

Having both would certainly go a long way to help Christophe's use case, he could rely on the analysis and just tweak it as needed (or use his every 4th beat to check the grid is aligned correctly)..

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Yes I agree. It would be most useful to be able to directly edit the beat grid and or bpm setting of a section within a track without affecting any other part of the track (before and after the play head). Dynamic analysis is pretty accurate at this point though. Hats off to the engineers!

I have also come across some songs that have a standard 4/4 time signature but have a 2 beat or 6 beat segment that resets where the down beat is. Not many songs do this (mostly older songs) and not sure if it was intentional or a mistake on the producers part but the point is, it would be nice to be able to set a 2 or 6 beat section to reset where the down beat (red marker) is and have the beat grid continue in 4/4 time after that.

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