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XDJ-RX AUTO BEAT LOOP error

Hi, I own the XDJ-RX 2 months, I discovered that by placing the AUTO BEAT LOOP in both decks the loop times out, I state that all the tracks have been analyzed with RB and the QUANTIZE function is activated.
Tried the same tracks in the Loop on RB and this does not happen, everything works perfectly without going out of time!
Firmware 1.60.

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I've posted this a few times to different questions. The hardware noted may be different, but the information within still applies:

With a sample track at approximately 123BPM, a 4 beat loop is measured in audio editing software at 1950.2494331ms (86,006 samples @ 44.1k).

The CDJ-2000nexus is capable of 1ms when using a quantized loop, or 6.6666667ms (1/2 frame @ 75frames/sec) with a non-quantized loop. This means if the loop is quantized, there is a loss of 0.2494ms per loop as the accuracy of 1ms means a total length of 1950ms. If the loop is NOT quantized, the resolution is lower, resulting in loop lengths of either 1946.6667ms or 1953.3333ms, a difference of -3.58ms or +3.08ms per loop – and that’s if you manage to get the loop as close to perfect as possible doing it without the quantization. Both of these also assume your beat grid is 100% accurate as the looping, quantized or auto-loop, is based on the beat grid. If you were to loop manually, you will be even less accurate than the timings noted. After just 4 cycles of this un-quantized loop, it will be out by approximately 12ms in either direction. The quantized loop however, would be out by a mere 1ms.

But that’s only 4 beats looped 4 times; 1 phrase is a mere 7.8s. Chances are you’ll wind up looping a bit longer, especially if you’re into any electronic music – let’s assume you loop it for 4 phrases (64 beats) – that’s 31.2s. If you had used a quantized loop, you’re now out of sync by 4ms and for that unquantized loop, by about 48ms.

These numbers will vary as the length of a 4 beat loop will differ based on the tempo. Likewise, if you set a 16 beat loop, it will take 4x longer to drift. And again, all of this assumes that your two tracks are 100% in sync to start with beat grids that are bang-on.

At what point do you start hearing that the loop is no longer accurate and out of sync with another track? Somewhere around 8-10ms for a trained ear (although some DJs may notice even around 5ms), 12-15ms for most people and it would most certainly audible to everyone at 20-25ms.

...and all that was to do with the CDJ-2000nexus. You're using the XDJ-RX, which, while it can read the grid from rekordbox, doesn't have 1ms accuracy, so you're limited to the 1-frame accuracy for auto-loops. The quantized loops may have a better accuracy (I'm not sure on the details for that with the RX), but the point remains that rekordbox will be 100% accurate for loops, but the RX has limitations.

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Do you use the same track on both decks and loop the same part or do you use different tracks at the same speed and loop them?

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how long are you looping tracks for? shouldn't be more than like 4 loops to complete a transition..??

Also you know you can turn off quantize and just use the jog wheels like the olden days...

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